Live 2005-2009, the beginning of the end, what exactly happened? Options

[SecretInsomnia]

oke, I still don't understand what EXACTLY happened. Please fill me in.

2005
(before, after, during) writing SFBM, Ed signed something all the other guys didnt know about, but what exactly? It was bad for the other guys, but how came it that they didnt notice it for 4 years

2005-2009
Everyone was "happy", SFBM release, Radiant Sea, Live at the Paradiso was recorded (an at that time Ed and Chad still did their happy jump-dance during Lakini's Juice). Also, the pre-show footage shown was them being a happy band (remember Pat? hehe). I guess it was in this time that the other 3 thought Ed was a bit too much of an ego, but still "supported him", according to Chad. Between 2006 en 2008 there were more and more solo shows tho.

early 2009
Band/Ed says they're working on new material, that will sound Forever/Purifier-ish, and band rehearsed together for the first time in quite some time. They even brought songs like Hold me Up back. It was in this period 'Believe' showed up.
At the other hand, Ed continued with his late 2008 started solo-shows and created his first own song (Zion), that at first, was stated, to be for the band Live ("I can wait to add the band to this song" -EK).

2009 (May)
Live was asked to perform as surprise act Pinkpop 2009, Ed asked the management to ask the other 3 if they agree with Ed getting 100.000 extra? So at that time they didnt even interacted with each other anymore or what? Why? - because Chad said they found out about the 2005-thing during the hiatus/break, and so after May?

post- may 2009
Band said they wanted a break, I guess both for creative reasons as for the whole Ed ego thing. Last few shows were performed in July in which they acted like they had some kind of fight with Ed (at least for me it seemed like that), but these shows were already planned months earlier. It was this period they found out about the 2005 contract, right? When they discovered this ("a stap in the back of his friends") for Chad it was obvious it was over and didnt want to perform with Ed ever again.


For me there are some missing pieces in between... what exactly happened?

[Wambangalang]

can't say im surprised by ed's douchier just looking at the writing credits from music by Live lyrics by Ed to all the nonsense of Ed wrote all these songs by himself except these....

i have a very bad flu, and am heavily sedated, but i swear this is the trippiest, most fucking confusing sentence i have ever read.

[PearlJamaholic]

i have a very bad flu, and am heavily sedated, but i swear this is the trippiest, most fucking confusing sentence i have ever read.

look at the old Live albums they all say "music by live, lyrics by ed" the last few albums seemed to pull away from this idea with breaking down the credits for each song.

[OutToDry]

look at the old Live albums they all say "music by live, lyrics by ed" the last few albums seemed to pull away from this idea with breaking down the credits for each song.

That is why we have what we do today, you can count on it.

Chad T even said in the web-blog that his creative juices were neutered and wasn't sure if he could get them back. When you're not allowed to practice your art and skill, you get stale. TGF is a rebirth for those 3, and whatever we get after this in my mind is only good.

Ed didn't let them help write and contribute.......this obviously let to the shit recording that is SFBM....I only half heartedly like 3 songs on there because there is a rock element to the songs. I give all kudos for Ed's singing talent but I loathe him for killing the band's collective strength and spirit. Flame away if you must, I do take sides too.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Dec 5 2009, 4:19 pm

[PillarOfDavidson]

That is why we have what we do today, you can count on it.

Chad T even said in the web-blog that his creative juices were neutered and wasn't sure if he could get them back. When you're not allowed to practice your art and skill, you get stale. TGF is a rebirth for those 3, and whatever we get after this in my mind is only good.

Ed didn't let them help write and contribute.......this obviously let to the shit recording that is SFBM....I only half heartedly like 3 songs on there because there is a rock element to the songs. I give all kudos for Ed's singing talent but I loathe him for killing the band's collective strength and spirit. Flame away if you must, I do take sides too.

Crock element, you mean.

Songs From Black Mountain should never have happened. For that matter neither should V have happened. BOP was OK, but if the band had still been on the right track there would've been a MUCH, MUCH better version of that album in some way or another.

Also, even though I understand you giving him his due in re: to his singing, the vocals on SFBM SUCKED. The guy is, and has been for a while now, too stuck on pop. He is not Justin Timberlake and he never will be... no matter how hard he might try. It's too bad he doesn't realize this.

This post has been edited by pho3nixtar: Dec 5 2009, 6:05 pm

[OutToDry]

Crock element, you mean.

Songs From Black Mountain should never have happened. For that matter neither should V have happened. BOP was OK, but if the band had still been on the right track there would've been a MUCH, MUCH better version of that album in some way or another.

Also, even though I understand you giving him his due in re: to his singing, the vocals on SFBM SUCKED. The guy is, and has been for a while now, too stuck on pop. He is not Justin Timberlake and he never will be... no matter how hard he might try. It's too bad he doesn't realize this.

Lol, crock element, good one.



I agree with what you say totally. BOP was billed as a rocking album, I think someplace from laying down the tracks and the overproduction by Lord Alge, the record came out more subdued than planned. I heard interviews on radio in Philly with Ed and Chad saying it will be heavy.



Ed, thinking his future is doing pop-rock is way so far away from what got him famous.

Why bite the hand that feeds you. I think Chad G's lounge act comment on twitter is dead on.

He's telling it like it is and in his anger with what became of their sound and direction shouldn't be bashed, it's freaking true. I'd be doing the same thing.



Oh well, it is what it is