gotigrz's - 'Jesus is the only way to heaven' thread, split from "Is Ed... a Christian Again?" Options

[shave98765]

good.

if all of this is true of ed... i can't say that i can go back to jamming to selling the drama or i alone, or whatever... but, i can say that i am very very happy and proud of ed kowalczyk.

This whole thread is funny.

You make it sound like Ed is a close personal friend of yours(and if that was the case, you should call him Eddie). If we "truly loved Eddie K." Are you serious? You truly love him? I love listening to his music...but would never go so far as to say I love him. I don't know him. I'm not friends with him, we don't hang out. I check his website every day, I follow his twitter and obviously i want him to be happy, but at the end of the day I realize what it is...he's an entertainer, trying to make a living, and I'm a fan. The music itself...definitely takes on a larger meaning than that...and it's definitely helped get me through some rough spots in my life.

Nobody should care what religion he is. If he has discovered/rediscovered his Christian side, and it makes him happy, good for him, I'm happy for him. If he has not, and that makes him happy, then that's great too. Do you think Ed cares what religion you are? Or I am? Or any of us? No.

I myself follow no particular religion, and definitely have not found God. I do no go to him searching for answers. With that said, I enjoy Love Shines...even if many people think that song sucks. I can enjoy any of his songs, without caring what his religious beliefs are. If he has found his Christian side, you can't jam with Selling The Drama or I Alone? Then I think you have issues that go far deeper then your religious beliefs.

And..."it's amazing how someone finding Jesus can bring such joy to someone's life (mine) and bring such sorrow to others..." I don't think anybody life will be filled with sorrow because Ed has "found Jesus." We'll be disappointed if we don't like his music...but his religious beliefs will have zero effect on my life.

"i just wish some of the ones on this board would find the Lord if they haven't yet." You sit here and criticize people for pushing their message of hoping Ed hasn't discovered his Christian side as being selfish...yet you turn around and try to push your religion on us. "i'm only hoping the best for everyone." No, you don't, you just care about pushing your message across. You clearly didn't come to this topic with an open mind. Don't misconstrue this post either, I respect all religions, and believe religion is a great thing. Just not for me, at least not at this point in my life.

On the flip side, to think that Ed can't write good music because of some newfound religious belief...that's just silly.

[gotigrz]

"Nobody should care what religion he is."

if you're a Christian,... you want others to be, too. not for your sake, but for theirs.

"Do you think Ed cares what religion you are?"

if he has truly given his heart and soul to Jesus... then yes, i do.

"yet you turn around and try to push your religion on us"

see, that's the problem... to a non-believer... when anyone that is a Christian even brings up the fact that Jesus is their Lord and Saviour... they think they are trying to "push" their beliefs on someone. i'm not doing that. i'm telling you what i believe and why i believe it. and, for me to want the same for anyone else is my decision. if you think me being happy for ed, that he found Christ, is pushing my beliefs on you... then you're the one with the problem.

"I respect all religions, and believe religion is a great thing. Just not for me, at least not at this point in my life."

see, you don't get it... Christianity isn't "something to get you through the day"... becoming a Christian isn't going to make your life easier... it's actually going to make it harder. but, i know that It will keep my soul for eternity with the Lord.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

GoTigrz,

We agree on something, a Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ. BUT there are many varying interpretations of Jesus. Maybe not in the American Bible belt where you live, but all over the world.

But just to show how well this works out, look at something you yourself said: "Jesus the Lord and Saviour of ALL people." Now, you obviously meant that as Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. But I could also choose to take it literally to say Jesus is the "savior of all people." I guess that makes you a Universalist doesn't it?

See how easy it is to interpret something differently?

Oh, and you don't know who Jesus is. You know what four different sources (that disagree on many details) say about who Jesus was. We don't even have the original manuscripts of those sources either! You may believe Jesus is a certain thing and that is fine, but it is not knowledge it is faith, and your interpretation is based off of a certain sector of Christianity.

If you want your faith to be that the majority of people on earth, and in the Bible, are burning in Hell then that is fine. Just don't be so surprised when other people don't want to believe that.

[gotigrz]

GoTigrz,

We agree on something, a Christian is a believer in Jesus Christ. BUT there are many varying interpretations of Jesus. Maybe not in the American Bible belt where you live, but all over the world.

But just to show how well this works out, look at something you yourself said: "Jesus the Lord and Saviour of ALL people." Now, you obviously meant that as Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. But I could also choose to take it literally to say Jesus is the "savior of all people." I guess that makes you a Universalist doesn't it?

See how easy it is to interpret something differently?

Oh, and you don't know who Jesus is. You know what four different sources (that disagree on many details) say about who Jesus was. We don't even have the original manuscripts of those sources either! You may believe Jesus is a certain thing and that is fine, but it is not knowledge it is faith, and your interpretation is based off of a certain sector of Christianity.

If you want your faith to be that the majority of people on earth, and in the Bible, are burning in Hell then that is fine. Just don't be so surprised when other people don't want to believe that.

oh, i'm not surprised. God said that it would be this way. and, you're right... everything i believe is based on faith. just as Jesus said to thomas... "Is it because you have seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!".

[Pokey]

How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!".

Why are they more blessed? (as this seems to imply)