Who's worse - Creed or Nickelback?, it's like trying to choose between vomit and diarrhea! Options

[edstipe]

This poll is already making me sick...

[Badman]

Wow... I had no idea the lyrics were so bad. The people who listen to this music are generally female and I don't understand why they would accept this portrayal of women. Maybe the average person doesn't listen to the words... that must be it.

[Merica]

Wow... I had no idea the lyrics were so bad. The people who listen to this music are generally female and I don't understand why they would accept this portrayal of women. Maybe the average person doesn't listen to the words... that must be it.

It's just one song, though. And taking these lyrics at face value is kind of taking them out of conetext. Listen to the song with them, and it's just a decent but throwaway rock song. And is it the only song ever to pain something in a negative light (in this case, women)? No. I'm pretty shocked at how crazy the hate of Nickelback (them moreso than Creed, who don't seem to get it as much) is. People don't seem to give it much thought at all, they just throw big blankets over it all with terribly hypocritial and bullshit reasons.

"They're lyrics are terrible".
"The're songs sound the same."
"I don't like the singer, he's a dick."

They're all bulshit reasons, because you could say that about every band. You could. I bet only a small minority of the shit throwers actually know what they're talking about. They've just heard a few songs, isn't really their thing and it's the "in" thing to hate them, so they do. And there'll be some that have no real opinion of the band, but there's a mate beside them who's saying "God aren't they shit eh, Nickelback, this song is just like that other one. I don't have their albums, but the songs I've heard sound samey he's a dick too that singer look at him, eh? What a tosser, with his hair, and the way he sings? I don't like it, it's shit, they're shit, aren't they shit?
"...umm, yeah I suppose."

The reasons people give for hating Nickelback, it's so stupid. You have to hate TONNES more bands if they're really reasons to hate bands. Or, on the flip side, it's just stupid and/or a social thing.

This post has been edited by Merica: Mar 9 2021, 3:33 am

[YourFaceSucks]

It's just one song, though.

Ummm...no it's not. All of their other songs are terrible also.

And taking these lyrics at face value is kind of taking them out of conetext. Listen to the song with them, and it's just a decent but throwaway rock song.

I listened to the song with them and it's even worse. The lyrics are bad enough without having to listen to "frog in my throat" Kroeger trying to sing them.

And is it the only song ever to pain something in a negative light (in this case, women)? No.

You have the most absurd reasoning skills I've ever seen. So because this isn't the only song to degrade women, then it's okay? That's like saying, "Oh, who cares if this person is a racist. He's not the only racist in the world."

I'm pretty shocked at how crazy the hate of Nickelback (them moreso than Creed, who don't seem to get it as much) is.

That's cause Creed have been broken up until recently. They used to be hated on a lot too (for good reason). I'm sure now that they're back together torturing the public with their terrible music, the hate will continue.

People don't seem to give it much thought at all, they just throw big blankets over it all with terribly hypocritial and bullshit reasons.

"They're lyrics are terrible".
"The're songs sound the same."
"I don't like the singer, he's a dick."

They're all bulshit reasons, because you could say that about every band. You could. I bet only a small minority of the shit throwers actually know what they're talking about. They've just heard a few songs, isn't really their thing and it's the "in" thing to hate them, so they do. And there'll be some that have no real opinion of the band, but there's a mate beside them who's saying "God aren't they shit eh, Nickelback, this song is just like that other one. I don't have their albums, but the songs I've heard sound samey he's a dick too that singer look at him, eh? What a tosser, with his hair, and the way he sings? I don't like it, it's shit, they're shit, aren't they shit?
"...umm, yeah I suppose."

The reasons people give for hating Nickelback, it's fucking retarded. You have to hate TONNES more bands if they're really reasons to hate bands. Or, on the flip side, it's just stupid and/or a social thing.

Yes, saying the lyrics are terrible is a really bullshit reason to dislike a band. LMAO! Are you even listening to yourself?

And no, you can't say every band has terrible lyrics. Maybe every band you listen to. And that's why the bands you listen to suck.

The reasons everyone gives for disliking Nickelback are valid. It's your arguments against it that lack any validity. The only thing your arguments consist of is, "Oh, every other band has sucky lyrics, so Nickelback isn't bad. People must hate Nickelback cause their friends do. This is so retarded."

Wow... I had no idea the lyrics were so bad. The people who listen to this music are generally female and I don't understand why they would accept this portrayal of women. Maybe the average person doesn't listen to the words... that must be it.

I think that could be part of the reason. A perfect example would be "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder (one of a dozen Nickelback clones that the idiotic public eats up, I bet Merica likes this song too). So many women I know just hear the words lips of an angel and automatically thinks, "OMG, this song is so sweet and sensitive" when the song is really about cheating on your woman.

But I think that's only part of it. Obviously there are people who know the lyrics and still like the songs. Like I said before. Look at the audience it attracts: rednecks who beat women (they obviously have no issues with these types of lyrics) and the g/f's of said rednecks (many of whom continue to stay with the guys who beat them...so it's really no surprise why they would accept this portrayal of women).

[Merica]

Ummm...no it's not. All of their other songs are terrible also.

It sounded like Badman was basing his opinion of their lyrical ability as a whole on that one song, so I thought I'd just remind him it was only one song. And really, aolthough like every band they have some poor lyrical content here and there, they're not terrible. Slightly generic, I'll give you, but not terrible. Certainly no worse than some other rock bands out there.

You have the most absurd reasoning skills I've ever seen. So because this isn't the only song to degrade women, then it's okay? That's like saying, "Oh, who cares if this person is a racist. He's not the only racist in the world."

No, it's just that if you hate this song for that reason (ala Badman pointed it out), then you'll have to hate others for it to. It's a consistency thing, not being hypocritical. "I hate this song because of it's negative potrayal of women", okay, so you must hate all those type of songs right? Or is it just another reason to dig at Nickelback?

Yes, saying the lyrics are terrible is a really bullshit reason to dislike a band. LMAO! Are you even listening to yourself?

And no, you can't say every band has terrible lyrics. Maybe every band you listen to. And that's why the bands you listen to suck.

You can say every band has terrible lyrics, because it's all opinion. Thing is, though, people just chuck the big blanket over it. "Oh yeah it's their lyrics"... when, really, there's not a lot too terrible about their lyrics. Genericness in there, repeating themes perhaps, but nothing outstanding terrible beyond their peers worst efforts. So for me it is a bit of a bullshit reason, because people just cite one or two songs and that's their basis for the whole thing. Their lyrics really aren't startlingly bad, but people want to hate them so they pick up on anything and everything they can to validate their argument.

The reasons everyone gives for disliking Nickelback are valid. It's your arguments against it that lack any validity. The only thing your arguments consist of is, "Oh, every other band has sucky lyrics, so Nickelback isn't bad. People must hate Nickelback cause their friends do. This is so retarded."

Obviously, you haven't read my posts and / or failed to understand them.

A perfect example would be "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder (one of a dozen Nickelback clones that the idiotic public eats up, I bet Merica likes this song too).

Never listened to it, or them, for that matter.

This post has been edited by Merica: May 2 2009, 1:20 am

[YourFaceSucks]

It sounded like Badman was basing his opinion of their lyrical ability as a whole on that one song, so I thought I'd just remind him it was only one song. And really, aolthough like every band they have some poor lyrical content here and there, they're not terrible. Slightly generic, I'll give you, but not terrible. Certainly no worse than some other rock bands out there.

And I thought I'd remind you that it's not just that one song. If those lyrics aren't terrible, then what lyrics would you consider terrible? And why do you keep bringing up other bands? Other bands having poor lyrics is somehow supposed to justify Nickelback's terrible lyrics?

No, it's just that if you hate this song for that reason (ala Badman pointed it out), then you'll have to hate others for it to. It's a consistency thing, not being hypocritical. "I hate this song because of it's negative potrayal of women", okay, so you must hate all those type of songs right? Or is it just another reason to dig at Nickelback?

Ummm...yes. Generally if you're not a fan of a song that degrades women, you're not going to be a fan of other songs that do this. I don't even see the point of bringing that up. If someone had said, "OMG, Nickelback sucks cause they have terrible lyrics that degrades women," and then had in their sig that "Smack My Bitch Up" by Prodigy was one of their fav songs, then it would make sense to post what you did.

You can say every band has terrible lyrics, because it's all opinion.

Yes, you can also say shit tastes good too. That's an opinion. Just because opinions aren't 100% right or wrong doesn't mean that some aren't more valid than others. There are plenty of bands that don't have terrible lyrics. If you honestly think that every band has terrible lyrics, then you need to listen to more music.

Thing is, though, people just chuck the big blanket over it. "Oh yeah it's their lyrics"... when, really, there's not a lot too terrible about their lyrics. Genericness in there, repeating themes perhaps, but nothing outstanding terrible beyond their peers worst efforts. So for me it is a bit of a bullshit reason, because people just cite one or two songs and that's their basis for the whole thing. Their lyrics really aren't startlingly bad, but people want to hate them so they pick up on anything and everything they can to validate their argument.

Again, if those lyrics aren't terrible, then what would you consider terrible? Give some examples of bands that you would consider to have terrible lyrics.

Honestly, I could walk into any kindergarten class across America, have one of the kids jot down song lyrics, and it would be better than what Nickelback comes up with. The only band on that level of popularity (or was) that has worse lyrics would be Limp Bizkit.

Obviously, you haven't read my posts and / or failed to understand them.
Never listened to it, or them, for that matter.

It's hard to understand something that doesn't make sense.

You should really listen to them. I think you'd like them. Here's another band you would love: Theory of A Deadman. When I first heard this song, I thought it was Nickelback cause I didn't think anyone else could write music this bad. Apparently I was wrong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tC3uLzttbQ&feature=related

[Merica]

And I thought I'd remind you that it's not just that one song. If those lyrics aren't terrible, then what lyrics would you consider terrible? And why do you keep bringing up other bands? Other bands having poor lyrics is somehow supposed to justify Nickelback's terrible lyrics?

When I said it's just one song, I was meaning that Badman could not base his opinion just on that song alone. Regardless of how good or bad the other lyrics are, he doesn't know, so he should have to look more into the other material before deciding on their lyrical ability. You may think / know that the other lyrics are terrible, but if he hasn't done the research, he shouldn't decide there and then on one song. Was just saying, you know? That's all I meant there.

I keep bringing up other bands because people are shouting about their lyrics being atrocious, and that's one of the reasons they hate them so much. I counter by saying that really their lyrics, whilst generic, aren't a whole lot worse than many other bands out there. Like, they're about the same as many other bands, but people only really shout about hating Nickelback. Why is this? - that's what I'm saying.

Ummm...yes. Generally if you're not a fan of a song that degrades women, you're not going to be a fan of other songs that do this. I don't even see the point of bringing that up. If someone had said, "OMG, Nickelback sucks cause they have terrible lyrics that degrades women," and then had in their sig that "Smack My Bitch Up" by Prodigy was one of their fav songs, then it would make sense to post what you did.

I brought it up because Badman, to me, was talking about it as though this was something unique to Nickelback, which makes them especially terrible. I noted that many bands do similar stuff to this, so they're not especially terrible for this reason. Wasn't aiming at Badman specifically. Again, was just saying.

Yes, you can also say shit tastes good too. That's an opinion. Just because opinions aren't 100% right or wrong doesn't mean that some aren't more valid than others. There are plenty of bands that don't have terrible lyrics. If you honestly think that every band has terrible lyrics, then you need to listen to more music.

I never said every band had terrible lyrics, though, just that I *could* say it and it'd be valid.

Again, if those lyrics aren't terrible, then what would you consider terrible? Give some examples of bands that you would consider to have terrible lyrics.

I'm not saying that they aren't terrible, I'm not saying anything about their content or quality - just that some people shout about the lyrics being bad in a big blanket like manner without really being specific or having listened to enough of their material, which is bullshit.

Honestly, I could walk into any kindergarten class across America, have one of the kids jot down song lyrics, and it would be better than what Nickelback comes up with. The only band on that level of popularity (or was) that has worse lyrics would be Limp Bizkit.

You're exaggerating here for effect. They're *really* not *that* bad.

It's hard to understand something that doesn't make sense.

You're misinterpreting me. I've tried to pull you onto my line of thinking in the above retorts.

[YourFaceSucks]

When I said it's just one song, I was meaning that Badman could not base his opinion just on that song alone. Regardless of how good or bad the other lyrics are, he doesn't know, so he should have to look more into the other material before deciding on their lyrical ability. You may think / know that the other lyrics are terrible, but if he hasn't done the research, he shouldn't decide there and then on one song. Was just saying, you know? That's all I meant there.

I keep bringing up other bands because people are shouting about their lyrics being atrocious, and that's one of the reasons they hate them so much. I counter by saying that really their lyrics, whilst generic, aren't a whole lot worse than many other bands out there. Like, they're about the same as many other bands, but people only really shout about hating Nickelback. Why is this? - that's what I'm saying.

No, he probably couldn't 100% know for certain their other lyrics are just as bad from one song. But let's be serious here. The chances of someone coming up with lyrics that bad and pulling a complete 180 and having genius lyrics in other songs are very slim. Unless Chad Kroeger is some bipolar genius, anyone should be able to make an educated guess at what his other songs are like.

I don't think people only get on Nickelback for bad lyrics. The only reason why people may talk about them more than other bands with bad lyrics is because they're more popular. So of course they're going to be mentioned more.

I brought it up because Badman, to me, was talking about it as though this was something unique to Nickelback, which makes them especially terrible. I noted that many bands do similar stuff to this, so they're not especially terrible for this reason. Wasn't aiming at Badman specifically. Again, was just saying.

Ummm...okay. Nowhere in his post did he say it was unique only to them. The only point he was making was that he thought the lyrics were terrible and that maybe the reason why women still liked them was cause they didn't pay attention to the lyrics.

And again, I don't see how other bands doing similar stuff makes Nickelback's music any less terrible. That's like saying, "I got an F on my test. There were other kids who got F's too though, so that's not so bad of a grade."

I never said every band had terrible lyrics, though, just that I *could* say it and it'd be valid.

How would that be valid? Every single band out there has terrible lyrics? You're saying that would be a valid statement if you made it?

I'm not saying that they aren't terrible, I'm not saying anything about their content or quality - just that some people shout about the lyrics being bad in a big blanket like manner without really being specific or having listened to enough of their material, which is bullshit.
You're exaggerating here for effect. They're *really* not *that* bad.
You're misinterpreting me. I've tried to pull you onto my line of thinking in the above retorts.

Okaaayyy. Now you're contradicting yourself. You said up there that their lyrics weren't terrible (just generic maybe, but not terrible). And now here, you're saying that you're not saying that they aren't terrible. I don't know if you're doing this to purposely confuse the hell out of me, but please tell me how I'm misinterpreting this.

Who are these people you're talking about anyways? Are they in this thread? I was very specific in what I thought the terrible lyrics were. And if the fact that I only gave one example is bothering you, I could provide more if you like.

[Merica]

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']
No, he probably couldn't 100% know for certain their other lyrics are just as bad from one song. But let's be serious here. The chances of someone coming up with lyrics that bad and pulling a complete 180 and having genius lyrics in other songs are very slim. Unless Chad Kroeger is some bipolar genius, anyone should be able to make an educated guess at what his other songs are like.[/quote]

Okay, but if you made that assumption from the one song, then, surely it doesn't warrant such scathing hatred? You can say the song sucked, but to hatefully discount the band so completely because of terrible lyrics when you've made an assumption on one song (whether or not you'd discover yourself to be right if you looked into it) is wrong. Surely?

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']I don't think people only get on Nickelback for bad lyrics. The only reason why people may talk about them more than other bands with bad lyrics is because they're more popular. So of course they're going to be mentioned more.[/quote]

I guess, I just find it to be sucky. Kind of leads me down the jelousy road, like, I don't think their lyrics are so bad but people pick on them more for them because they're so popular. They shouldn't, but they do. Victims of their own huge success, in a way.

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']Ummm...okay. Nowhere in his post did he say it was unique only to them. The only point he was making was that he thought the lyrics were terrible and that maybe the reason why women still liked them was cause they didn't pay attention to the lyrics.[/quote]

It sounded to me like he was seeing Nickelback as especially terrible for doing it. I possibly took it wrong, but regardless, the point stands for people who do think like that. Or, well, they'll hate on Nickelback for it as if they're the only band to do something. If they're true to their word and hate all bands who do something they're hating Nickelback for, that's cool. If not, then they're hypocrites and their hate of Nickelback, for me, becomes less valid.

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']And again, I don't see how other bands doing similar stuff makes Nickelback's music any less terrible. That's like saying, "I got an F on my test. There were other kids who got F's too though, so that's not so bad of a grade."[/quote]

If people were hating on Nickelback because of the above (not the directly above quote, but the exchange above that), then it wouldn't make Nickelback's music less terrible, but the reason for hating them less valid because it could be thrown at a bunch of bands and wouldn't be Nickelback specific. Hence me thinking some people hate them for "bullshit" reasons. Of course, here we can again say it's all because they're more popular and such.

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']How would that be valid? Every single band out there has terrible lyrics? You're saying that would be a valid statement if you made it?[/quote]

Well, technically yeah. It's opinion. I agree, it'd be as wrong as is possible for an opinion to be, but it would be valid.

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']Okaaayyy. Now you're contradicting yourself. You said up there that their lyrics weren't terrible (just generic maybe, but not terrible). And now here, you're saying that you're not saying that they aren't terrible. I don't know if you're doing this to purposely confuse the hell out of me, but please tell me how I'm misinterpreting this. [/quote]

"I'm not saying they aren't terrible..." etc was my bad way of saying that on that point, my personal opinion on the quality of the lyrics was irrelavent.

[quote name='YourFaceSucks' date='May 2 2009, 5:36 pm' post='47239']Who are these people you're talking about anyways? Are they in this thread? I was very specific in what I thought the terrible lyrics were. And if the fact that I only gave one example is bothering you, I could provide more if you like.[/quote]

I guess you don't really know until you question them, but it's easy to discover people who don't really care about Nickelback (as oppose to hating them, like they might present.) You seem genuine enough and, although I'd be interested in examples of their bad lyrics in your opinion, I wouldn't want to bother you. Not out of fear of beign disproved or anything like that either, it's simply that you personally don't have to qualify your feelings to me. You've done that by engaging in this discussion.

Also, I'm having trouble splitting one quote up into lots of little ones. I don't see what I've done wrong here... hmmm..

[YourFaceSucks]

Okay, but if you made that assumption from the one song, then, surely it doesn't warrant such scathing hatred? You can say the song sucked, but to hatefully discount the band so completely because of terrible lyrics when you've made an assumption on one song (whether or not you'd discover yourself to be right if you looked into it) is wrong. Surely?

I guess, I just find it to be sucky. Kind of leads me down the jelousy road, like, I don't think their lyrics are so bad but people pick on them more for them because they're so popular. They shouldn't, but they do. Victims of their own huge success, in a way.

Depends on how bad the song is. And I'd have to say that's a pretty bad song.

I don't think jealousy has anything to do with it. People just comment on what they know. For example, you hadn't heard of Hinder or their song, so it would be impossible for you to comment on it right? So in a discussion about artists with bad lyrics, you wouldn't be able to bring them up. I'm sure there are thousands of bands with just as bad lyrics playing some bar somewhere, but no one knows who they are, so they can't comment on them.

Well, technically yeah. It's opinion. I agree, it'd be as wrong as is possible for an opinion to be, but it would be valid.

If you agree that it's as wrong as possible for an opinion to be, I don't see how it can be valid. For it to be valid, there would have to be some sound reasoning behind it.

If people were hating on Nickelback because of the above (not the directly above quote, but the exchange above that), then it wouldn't make Nickelback's music less terrible, but the reason for hating them less valid because it could be thrown at a bunch of bands and wouldn't be Nickelback specific. Hence me thinking some people hate them for "bullshit" reasons. Of course, here we can again say it's all because they're more popular and such.

True, but I haven't really seen that in this thread. If I did, I'd probably be the first one pointing it out, lol.

"I'm not saying they aren't terrible..." etc was my bad way of saying that on that point, my personal opinion on the quality of the lyrics was irrelavent.

Okay, but to the overall discussion of the thread about which band is worse, it's not irrelevant. I'm just wondering as to what you would consider to be terrible lyrics if you don't think Nickelback's are. If you don't feel like sharing, then that's fine. I'm just curious.

[Merica]

Depends on how bad the song is. And I'd have to say that's a pretty bad song.

Even if it is bad though, and really bad, you should still do more research. People may well be turned off by the song and not want to do more... but then again, I say if they do that, then the large amount of hate is unfounded... because they just dislike ONE song.

I don't think jealousy has anything to do with it. People just comment on what they know. For example, you hadn't heard of Hinder or their song, so it would be impossible for you to comment on it right? So in a discussion about artists with bad lyrics, you wouldn't be able to bring them up. I'm sure there are thousands of bands with just as bad lyrics playing some bar somewhere, but no one knows who they are, so they can't comment on them.

I personally think there's some jeaousy in there. Not for all people, and not the driving reason, but it's in there for some people.

If you agree that it's as wrong as possible for an opinion to be, I don't see how it can be valid. For it to be valid, there would have to be some sound reasoning behind it.

Well, weakly valid, but still valid. Even an absurd opinion is still valid. Might not hold a lot of weight, mind, but it'd still be valid. Bad lyrics... hmm... soulja boy?

True, but I haven't really seen that in this thread. If I did, I'd probably be the first one pointing it out, lol.

When I came in this thread initially, I wasn't aiming at people specifically in this thread, really. More of a general analysis of people I know and have seen before.

Okay, but to the overall discussion of the thread about which band is worse, it's not irrelevant. I'm just wondering as to what you would consider to be terrible lyrics if you don't think Nickelback's are. If you don't feel like sharing, then that's fine. I'm just curious.

I don't know, to be honest, I just really don't think Nickelback's are as bad as people say.