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If Live Returned To It's Roots...
What "Roots" Would You Like to See Live Return To?
the jangly, innocent pop of The Death of a Dictionary [ 1 ] ** [1.89%]
the simple-but-intense political and spiritual commentary of Mental Jewelry [ 7 ] ** [13.21%]
the rockin', diverse, socially conscious Throwing Copper [ 21 ] ** [39.62%]
the mysterious, dark, cryptive rock of Secret Samadhi [ 24 ] ** [45.28%]
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post May 6 2008, 5:59 pm
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This is purely hypothetical, because there is nothing to indicate that Live would ever try to return to any of their old styles again.

However, I have heard some discussion on this board in the past about Live returning to their "roots," and it got me thinking about what specific roots I would most like to see Live return to. Clearly, their first four albums were incredibly different stylistically from one to the next, so it would be hard to pinpoint any specific "style" of the band's early albums.

So, out of the four albums listed, which style would you most like to see Live return to someday?

(By the way, I cut it off with Secret Samadhi because, although I think TDTH is brilliant, I feel that it is their first record that is more a blending of previous styles than a new style altogether.)


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QUOTE(disciple_de_+LIVE+ @ May 24 2008, 6:40 am) *

Easy.

Put down the acoustic.

No falsetto.

Don't put the album's single as the first song. (The River, Heaven). You need a rocker or dramatic/show-opener-type-song to set the album's mood.

Who cares what the lyrics/sound/producer is, if they followed these three rules they would make their best album since TDTH...


Their best album since TDTH?

Carefully avoiding the fact that TDTH has The Dolphins Cry as the first song, contains a fair amount of falsetto, and definitely features the acoustic guitar.

It's bullshit anyway. There're no rules for making a good album, especially since in the end we're hoping for work that the old Live fan base will subjectively enjoy, regardless of artistic merit. (Though the old material was more original and better written, so perhaps subconciously they go hand in hand..)

And I completely disagree with needing a 'rocker' song to open the album. The vital element we're missing from Live's music isn't rock. It's passion. Live clearly doesn't rank high on the individual members priorities. Perhaps if it did; if they still felt they could induce change with their music, if Ed stepped aside from his parental 'look at my daughters!' mindset, if they set out to make their best work yet... for themselves, then maybe we would receive what most of the Live community wants.

Of course this is conjecture, but I feel it's more accurate than a few simple rules for making their best work post TDTH.


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QUOTE(Alex @ Jun 6 2008, 9:33 pm) *

Their best album since TDTH?

Carefully avoiding the fact that TDTH has The Dolphins Cry as the first song, contains a fair amount of falsetto, and definitely features the acoustic guitar.

It's bullshit anyway. There're no rules for making a good album, especially since in the end we're hoping for work that the old Live fan base will subjectively enjoy, regardless of artistic merit. (Though the old material was more original and better written, so perhaps subconciously they go hand in hand..)

And I completely disagree with needing a 'rocker' song to open the album. The vital element we're missing from Live's music isn't rock. It's passion. Live clearly doesn't rank high on the individual members priorities. Perhaps if it did; if they still felt they could induce change with their music, if Ed stepped aside from his parental 'look at my daughters!' mindset, if they set out to make their best work yet... for themselves, then maybe we would receive what most of the Live community wants.

Of course this is conjecture, but I feel it's more accurate than a few simple rules for making their best work post TDTH.


I may need to go back and listen, but I'm pretty sure the majority of TDTH is recorded electric. A lot of is a very clean electric but nonetheless electric. Dance with you comes to mind. TDTH works really well played acoustically [per them doing all those acoustic shows during that era] but I think the bulk if not all of the album is electric.

Edit: Ok, I just did a quick check by quickly listening to each TDTH track, it made sure I heard the rhythm guitar in each song. WFG, F&G, FTQRR, and Meltdown are the only ones with standout acoustic. The other tracks may have some subtle acoustic but the prominent rhythm and lead guitars are electric.

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edstipe   If Live Returned To Their Roots for the Next Album...   May 6 2008, 5:59 pm
SJN1279   This is purely hypothetical, because there is not...   May 6 2008, 6:11 pm
slainte   The devil is wearing ice skates now since I agree ...   May 6 2008, 6:29 pm
Badman   I loved SS Live! I love that artsy feeling th...   May 6 2008, 7:28 pm
AgentK7   It's not so much about returning to their root...   May 6 2008, 8:06 pm
Alex   Well, Executive Producers don't really (usuall...   May 6 2008, 9:47 pm
Badman   And what do you mean by 'too dark a producti...   May 6 2008, 10:03 pm
AgentK7   Well, Executive Producers don't really (usual...   May 7 2008, 10:06 pm
shitowne76   You are correct about the executive producer esse...   Jun 6 2008, 1:15 pm
+Ed+   (By the way, I cut it off with Secret Samadhi bec...   May 7 2008, 1:03 am
SJN1279   Nick, you know my respect to you, but this is a ...   May 7 2008, 4:20 pm
SecretInsomnia   The ebst thing to do now is, indeed, point out whi...   May 7 2008, 2:41 am
Pokey   I went SS. I don't really want to hear them ge...   May 7 2008, 6:13 am
Pain   It was pretty hard to pick between Throwing Copper...   May 7 2008, 2:50 pm
Nedra   Hmmm... I want ROCK with MEANING, I guess. Lyric...   May 7 2008, 6:40 pm
Alex   I want to emphasize that I really like Secret Sam...   May 8 2008, 4:02 am
slainte   Hmmm... I want ROCK with MEANING, I guess. Lyri...   May 8 2008, 10:45 am
Nedra   It makes complete and total sense to me....The so...   May 8 2008, 1:51 pm
slainte   Like minds....must be that fresh Oregon air along ...   May 8 2008, 1:59 pm
Nedra   Ok, we'll go with that instead of old hippie m...   May 8 2008, 7:45 pm
Wambangalang   I'd rather think of "returning to their r...   May 9 2008, 8:46 am
Pokey   I'd rather think of "returning to their ...   May 9 2008, 11:23 am
slainte   Ok, we'll go with that instead of old hippie ...   May 9 2008, 11:06 am
pho3nixtar   What needs to happen is very simple: they need to ...   May 12 2008, 3:44 pm
Wambangalang   agreed. but they not only need to be a band outsid...   May 13 2008, 4:23 am
+Ed+   agreed. but they not only need to be a band outsi...   May 13 2008, 4:44 am
crazy1   im stoned by the way I figured you were!...   May 13 2008, 8:33 am
Alex   I'd rather think of "returning to their ...   May 14 2008, 12:41 am
Distance to Me   I don't necessarily want the band to return to...   May 18 2008, 12:52 pm
disciple_de_+LIVE+   Easy. Put down the acoustic. No falsetto. Don...   May 23 2008, 1:40 pm
PurdueSteve   Who cares what the lyrics/sound/producer is, if t...   Jun 6 2008, 1:53 pm
LiveRoCkS77   Their best album since TDTH? Carefully avoiding ...   Jun 10 2008, 9:28 pm
SJN1279   Also, as far as creativity is concerned, when is...   Jun 10 2008, 9:32 pm
LiveRoCkS77   I thought Mystery had a pretty cool bridge, but t...   Jun 10 2008, 10:50 pm
SJN1279   Actually, Mystery has no bridge whatsoever. The o...   Jun 11 2008, 6:30 am
LiveRoCkS77   What technically constitutes a bridge? A bridge...   Jun 12 2008, 9:49 pm
SJN1279   A bridge is a contrasting part of a song that bre...   Jun 13 2008, 6:31 am
+Ed+   A bridge is a contrasting part of a song that bre...   Jun 16 2008, 1:06 am
PurdueSteve   Isn't "When suddenly out of the blue she...   Jun 16 2008, 2:27 pm
disciple_de_+LIVE+   Their best album since TDTH? Carefully avoiding ...   Jun 16 2008, 3:10 pm
Alex   I'm aware of that. All I said was that the alb...   Jun 6 2008, 10:39 pm
PurdueSteve   I'm aware of that. All I said was that the al...   Jun 6 2008, 10:54 pm
Pokey   You don't get what he means ... disciple_de_+L...   Jun 7 2008, 1:24 am
PurdueSteve   You don't get what he means ... disciple_de_+...   Jun 7 2008, 6:12 am
Wambangalang   who fucking cares if the songs have accoustic guit...   Jun 7 2008, 12:16 pm
Distance to Me   who fucking cares if the songs have accoustic gui...   Jun 10 2008, 5:19 pm
Alex   In correcting disciple than how much acoustic is ...   Jun 8 2008, 8:17 pm
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disciple_de_+LIVE+   Read the thread. I personally do not believe tha...   Jun 16 2008, 3:15 pm
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Merica   I like to think LIVE have another good album in th...   Jun 12 2008, 2:18 pm
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