The Dam at Otter Creek live, when? Options

[l_oiseau_rouge]

Hello people, I'm a n00b, but I did my little research before I decided to post here because I don't want to make you lose your time.

A friend introduced me to Live and I liked what I've heard so far! I found a few torrents that made me happy... However, as I read the setlists on this site, I realized that The Dam At Otter Creek doesn't seem to be played often! God, I love that song and am looking for more versions. I come as a massive Radiohead fan and we have 2 amazing sites that portray each song and list their live performances, so it's easier to spot the bootlegs we should look for. So, I wonder if the same exists for Live... If no, is there a place with the boots links, like a hub or something? Thanks for any info and have a nice day.

This post has been edited by l_oiseau_rouge: Mar 24 2008, 12:34 pm

[Joi]

I hardly call a Google search and subsequent finding of the National Aphasia Association's website "proper research." They refer to aphasias as "aphasia" as if it's one disorder! There are so many types of aphasias that anyone with a clue would know that the article is dumbed down to a degree that distorts the real meaning of the collection of disorders they refer to as "aphasia."

If you move beyond the page I directed you to, and read more on the website, they mention several different types of aphasia, as well as multiple other conditions it may be confused with or accompanied by. And she did not claim aphasia was the ONLY condition that could be accompanied by excessive swearing, it was the one she used as an EXAMPLE.

Then again, I wouldn't expect more of you since you think the first article is proper. Multiple searches I ran through PubMed and the NIH revealed nothing. Dementia, on the other hand, does often cause people to say inappropriate things, and aphasias can be secondary to dementias. However, no true aphasia causes it.

PubMed search brought up this article: Automatic or non-propositional speech, which includes not only song lyrics but also prayers and swearing, is usually preserved in non-fluent aphasia (Ryding, et al., 1987; Speedie et al., 1993; Blank et al., 2002; Van Lancker-Sidtis, 2004).
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/129/10/2571


So, again, NO aphasia is not the only condition that can be accompanied by excessive swearing, she is not a doctor, and try to research better before you pick on other people's research.


Oh, apologies to l_oiseau_rouge for hijacking the thread.

This post has been edited by Joi: Mar 27 2008, 1:46 pm

[Existentialist]

If you move beyond the page I directed you to, and read more on the website, they mention several different types of aphasia, as well as multiple other conditions it may be confused with or accompanied by. And she did not claim aphasia was the ONLY condition that could be accompanied by excessive swearing, it was the one she used as an EXAMPLE.
PubMed search brought up this article: Automatic or non-propositional speech, which includes not only song lyrics but also prayers and swearing, is usually preserved in non-fluent aphasia (Ryding, et al., 1987; Speedie et al., 1993; Blank et al., 2002; Van Lancker-Sidtis, 2004).
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/129/10/2571
So, again, NO aphasia is not the only condition that can be accompanied by excessive swearing, she is not a doctor, and try to research better before you pick on other people's research.

Nice try. I mean that sincerely, too. However, I never argued that aphasics don't have the ability to swear, which is all the article you reference says. Sure the ability to swear can be preserved, but where does it say that any aphasia leads to "excessive swearing" that you and the original article mentioned? You're right that aphasics can retain the ability to swear, but that wasn't your original argument.

[Joi]

Nice try. I mean that sincerely, too. However, I never argued that aphasics don't have the ability to swear, which is all the article you reference says. Sure the ability to swear can be preserved, but where does it say that any aphasia leads to "excessive swearing" that you and the original article mentioned? You're right that aphasics can retain the ability to swear, but that wasn't your original argument.

My original point was that there was excessive swearing in the post I was quoting. Excessive - exceeding what is usual, proper, necessary. The article I originally quoted used aphasia as ONE example of a condition that could cause or be accompanied by "excessive" swearing. So I guess the real argument would be what's "excessive"? If an aphasiac wouldn't normally swear, wouldn't any swearing be "excessive"? Aphasics' automatic speech can include swear words, numbers, lyrics, "um", "er" and other placeholders (from multiple articles I read today, more than I ever thought I would). So they could also excessively be repeating numbers.

The part of the article I originally quoted and found most amusing was this:
"In addition, the use of expletives can:
Express trust and intimacy (mostly when women swear in the presence of other women)"

Oh, yeah me and my girlfriends run around swearing at each other all the time.

As an aside- good debating skills.

This post has been edited by Joi: Mar 27 2008, 3:05 pm