SFBM songs that you can hear the "old" Live in Options

[Existentialist]

Whether you like the album or not, there's no debating that SFBM is a very different sounding album from the likes of MJ through TDTH. But, are there any songs on SFBM where you hear an "old" Live sound coming through?

I think the most obvious one for me is the outro on Where Do We Go From Here, which to me sounds like something of the later TDTH vintage along the lines of The Distance jam sessions that took place on the Live and Counting Crows tour.

Unfortunately, that's the only moment of the "old" Live coming through that I hear. Let's hear some ideas...

[Alex]

this is actually very incorrect. MJ has the BEST production of any of the Live albums, because it's not compressed to hell (like V and BOP) and the album breathes. Basically, all Live albums after MJ have a decent amount of clipping of the waveforms.

Rip some WAVs from MJ and then rip some tracks from other Live albums. You can see the peaks and the actual waveform from MJ...on later albums, it's a wall of sound. The WAV is a big block of sound with no highs and lows.

Just because an album is louder doesn't make it a better produced record.

Mate, we've discussed this at length before. Honestly, stop judging production visually.

Either way I wasn't referring at all to the mastering. MJ is techincally not that well produced or mixed. It has quite a 'budget' sound. You can't claim that because it isn't compressed it's the best. There is FAR more to music production than this.

Yes, all of the albums post MJ could have been mastered at a less hot volume. But that certainly doesn't make the overall production any worse. The individual sound of the recorded instruments on TC and SS (especially SS) is good. More detail, overall 'fuller' sound. There are far more interesting things happening mix wise on TC and SS, and though TDTH has a very modern sound, it has some interesting things going on.

Honestly, I thought you conceded that it's not all about mastering when we discussed this before. More than half of the dynamic range is lost nowadays through compression of the individual tracks anyway, and this can only be reproduced artificially during mastering, which isn't going to happen any time soon, with the current state of music. I'm all for dynamic range, but at this point the industry is catering for people listening on mp3 players and crappy car stereos where dynamic range is the least of their worries. Music goes through lots of phases- hopefully this is one which will die out in the next few years.