Any new album news? Options

[BP24]

Has anyone heard any new album news?

This post has been edited by BP24: Jan 31 2008, 11:38 pm

[Alex]

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']I have been detesting every single bash of the band on its FANSITE. It is pure bullshit. If you do not like the band - leave it to the others I guess... [quote]

I don't think there's anyone on here at the moment that isn't a fan of the band. You seem to be under the impression that to be a fan you have to worship everything Live create.
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[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']Anyway, I know that people are inclined to sound like they are brilliant analyzers sometimes. I have hardly seen it over here. And this is what makes things even worse. I do not detest criticism. I think that in its stronger forms (represented for example by Herzelied aka Pokey) it really brings a sense of a positive and constructive discussion... Other than that... "It's shit", :It makes me through up".... Uh, come on fellas.... It is 2008, eh? Not 1995, 97 or even 99. Have you ever thought that what worked in the 90s, will never work again? All the grunge and post-grunge...It just is OVER. I know some bands still make efforts. They sound great. But they are not as popular as, say, 10 years ago...[quote]

It's not a matter of popularity. What you say about the music of the 90's is certainly true for certain bands- but I don't feel that Live's music after TC was shaped so much by the 90s sound. Anyway, it's not a case of people wanting to hear rehashed TCs and SS's... it's a return of passion, energy, lyrics with a lot less kitsch value that I, and I assume other people, want.

By the way- regarding the debates on here, I see as many, or more useless comments coming from people who DO enjoy the recent work than people that don't. I still haven't really seen any factors to stand by the claim that some make that SFBM is as well written as say, TDTH.

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']Back to LIVE. Have you ever seen a band that made a poppy record NOT TO BECOME popular with it? Huh? Me not. [/quote]

I'm not quite sure what you're saying- but if you're stating that people can't make popular sounding records without them becoming popular, then I think you've completely got the wrong idea. Or are you implying that Live want to regain popularity so they're making poppy music?

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']I do not feel it is a strong marketing finding or smth... Why don't you let people get BUSY with THEIR BUSINESS? [quote]

Well, you claimed earlier that there're people here that aren't fans of the band. I assume you mean this because they don't enjoy Lives later work. I however think that questioning the material that you're not as fond of is far better than blindly following a band and convincing yourself that it's good.

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']It is pretty much disappointing that some fans prefer not to progress with the band, and, moreover, NOT FEEL IT. If you are depressed or want to let your anger out - hit TC or SS - noone is against it! I doubt that all the guys who say I HATE SFBM never felt like putting it on on the beach or smth... When Ed was saying they were releasing smth what FANS want... He meant it for the fans who FEEL him I guess. And I proudly consider myself one of those.[quote]

Why do you take it personally that people that don't enjoy Lives recent output? Why is it dissapointing that people aren't 'progressing' with the band?

For a start, I really wouldn't call albums like BOP and SFBM progress. In terms of songwriting, they don't really include anything new. There are new ideas arrangement wise, but I personally wouldn't call these progression at all. The lyrics make me want to cringe- and though I'm no literacy expert I would think that objectively the lyrics on SFBM are not well written. They're very run of the mill, contain many a cliche etc. The production is more modern but the mixes don't contain anything interesting- and I certainly wouldn't call modern production a progression.

A lot of people who argue for the new work use the whole 'anger' thing- saying 'if you want something angry go listen to SS, leave us people who enjoy the new material alone'. To start with, I have never ever felt the need to put SFBM on, and after the first month of listening to BOP, I never wanted to listen to that again either. I enjoy a huge variety of music, and if I was listening to something at the beach, I might go for some Stevie Wonder, Sublime, maybe Jeff Buckley- certainly not SFBM. It wouldn't even come in to the equation.

I honestly don't want anything 'angry' from Live. They're obviously not in the same state emotionally and generally in their lives as they were 10, 15 years ago, and there's no point in forcing anger. I want passion. Emotion that doesn't come in the form of 'la la las' and 'buddha sitting under his tree'. Lyrics that don't make me reach for the power button. Songs that aren't just pop standards, with progressions that aren't cheesy and overused, and individual parts that are well written. A return to instrumentation that goes beyond the parts they play live, and not just shoving in a poorly written string arrangement. A return to human error in their recordings; no more auto-tune, less tightening and less 'Jim Wirt' production. If their next album was an acoustic album that employed just some of the things I've written here I would like it a whole bunch more than SFBM.

Emotion doesn't mean anger. And it doesn't mean blatant 'nothing can go wrong' happiness. Ed has had kids. Great. He obviously wants to write about them, which would be fine, if it weren't delivered in the style that he has shown since BOP. There're far more poignant things he could write about involving his children.

Deliver an album that is ranging in emotion and has passion and I'll give Live another go. Until then I'll stick to listening to their early albums.

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']Open your eyes dammit. Open your souls. [/quote]

A grossly unfair comment, considering what you're about to say...

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']Whatever the next album brings, there is still a majority of fans who will accept it and drool over it whether it even be punk or techno. [quote]

Yes. The people that blindly follow a band and convince themselves that they like the material. (Not saying that everyone who likes SFBM just convinces themselves, there are a number who genuinely like it). But I don't think having an open mind has anything to do with the reaction that a lot of people have had to the last two albums.

(Btw, how can there 'be a majority of fans who will accept it and drool over it'... I'm under the impression that these fans are in the minority...)

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']If they are doing it and they feel like doing it (meaning LIVE) - LET THEM FUCKING DO IT and if you do not enjoy it - than it is not that important to get into a virtual fight aboard with bashing the new material.[/quote]

To be fair, you seem to be the one fighting back. You said earlier that intelligent discussion about it is good.. and it is. I don't think that people who don't like the new material shouldn't be able to relay their opinions.

Anyway, you say Live feel like doing it.. I strongly question if their hearts are in it anymore. I don't see, as a musician, how playing SFBM material would be gratifying. I'd rather they give the band up than keep making music as empty as this. (Unless they do genuinely enjoy doing it..)

[quote name='+Ed+' date='Feb 7 2008, 4:47 am' post='35816']Anyway I do not know what I posted it for... Maybe I respect DanGum so much for so long that I decided to let it all out.. Dunno. I just know I will enjoy the new album and I can not wait for it.
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So right now, even though you have no idea what the new album will entail, you've decided that you're going to like it. I think you need to practice what you preach and have an open mind.

This post has been edited by Alex: Feb 6 2008, 3:51 pm

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I'm not quite sure what you're saying- but if you're stating that people can't make popular sounding records without them becoming popular, then I think you've completely got the wrong idea. Or are you implying that Live want to regain popularity so they're making poppy music?

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A grossly unfair comment, considering what you're about to say...

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To be fair, you seem to be the one fighting back. You said earlier that intelligent discussion about it is good.. and it is. I don't think that people who don't like the new material shouldn't be able to relay their opinions.

Anyway, you say Live feel like doing it.. I strongly question if their hearts are in it anymore. I don't see, as a musician, how playing SFBM material would be gratifying. I'd rather they give the band up than keep making music as empty as this. (Unless they do genuinely enjoy doing it..)

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So right now, even though you have no idea what the new album will entail, you've decided that you're going to like it. I think you need to practice what you preach and have an open mind.

Although I think Alex was a bit excessive in the length he went to, he did it pretty fucking well I must say. For once, I also agree with just about every single thing he said in his post regarding Live.

Agree to disagree? Fuck that!! Alex is right and backed it up by bringing this guys blatant self contradictions out into the open in order to prove his point.

Whoever Ed is, you just got owned to the max.