Any new album news? Options

[BP24]

Has anyone heard any new album news?

This post has been edited by BP24: Jan 31 2008, 11:38 pm

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Yo Alex. Here I come. At last I see a great post at FANSOL.


I don't think there's anyone on here at the moment that isn't a fan of the band. You seem to be under the impression that to be a fan you have to worship everything Live create.
No, Alex. Completely wrong. I see the posts of the fake fans every now and then. I consider those people who were fans once, but after BoP, V or SFBM started simply bashing the band, without visiting concerts or listening even to the best works. And sorry. Your impression is wrong. It is only me that is out of that kind of fans. I unfortunately love all they make…

It's not a matter of popularity. What you say about the music of the 90's is certainly true for certain bands- but I don't feel that Live's music after TC was shaped so much by the 90s sound. Anyway, it's not a case of people wanting to hear rehashed TCs and SS's... it's a return of passion, energy, lyrics with a lot less kitsch value that I, and I assume other people, want.
Yea, but don’t you think that the nowadays songs are another form of passion. If we come to discussing the records again…Hmm..Does Sofia or WDWGFH or HOME lack passion? I do not think so. It is a different level of passion. And a higher level of maturity as I feel.

By the way- regarding the debates on here, I see as many, or more useless comments coming from people who DO enjoy the recent work than people that don't. I still haven't really seen any factors to stand by the claim that some make that SFBM is as well written as say, TDTH.
Yea unfortunately I see that too. It all depends on age and the level of .. dunno how to call it… Development, evolution… Whatever you call it.

I'm not quite sure what you're saying- but if you're stating that people can't make popular sounding records without them becoming popular, then I think you've completely got the wrong idea. Or are you implying that Live want to regain popularity so they're making poppy music?
I honestly do not think the guys are interested in any form of mass appeal (did I say it right? Or shall it be “appealing to the masses”?),similar to the one they had in 90s. I just somehow do not think so.

Well, you claimed earlier that there're people here that aren't fans of the band. I assume you mean this because they don't enjoy Lives later work. I however think that questioning the material that you're not as fond of is far better than blindly following a band and convincing yourself that it's good.
Absolutely + above I have mentioned some of the aspects.

Why do you take it personally that people that don't enjoy Lives recent output? Why is it dissapointing that people aren't 'progressing' with the band?

For a start, I really wouldn't call albums like BOP and SFBM progress. In terms of songwriting, they don't really include anything new. There are new ideas arrangement wise, but I personally wouldn't call these progression at all. The lyrics make me want to cringe- and though I'm no literacy expert I would think that objectively the lyrics on SFBM are not well written. They're very run of the mill, contain many a cliche etc. The production is more modern but the mixes don't contain anything interesting- and I certainly wouldn't call modern production a progression.

A lot of people who argue for the new work use the whole 'anger' thing- saying 'if you want something angry go listen to SS, leave us people who enjoy the new material alone'. To start with, I have never ever felt the need to put SFBM on, and after the first month of listening to BOP, I never wanted to listen to that again either. I enjoy a huge variety of music, and if I was listening to something at the beach, I might go for some Stevie Wonder, Sublime, maybe Jeff Buckley- certainly not SFBM. It wouldn't even come in to the equation.

I honestly don't want anything 'angry' from Live. They're obviously not in the same state emotionally and generally in their lives as they were 10, 15 years ago, and there's no point in forcing anger. I want passion. Emotion that doesn't come in the form of 'la la las' and 'buddha sitting under his tree'. Lyrics that don't make me reach for the power button. Songs that aren't just pop standards, with progressions that aren't cheesy and overused, and individual parts that are well written. A return to instrumentation that goes beyond the parts they play live, and not just shoving in a poorly written string arrangement. A return to human error in their recordings; no more auto-tune, less tightening and less 'Jim Wirt' production. If their next album was an acoustic album that employed just some of the things I've written here I would like it a whole bunch more than SFBM.

Emotion doesn't mean anger. And it doesn't mean blatant 'nothing can go wrong' happiness. Ed has had kids. Great. He obviously wants to write about them, which would be fine, if it weren't delivered in the style that he has shown since BOP. There're far more poignant things he could write about involving his children.

Deliver an album that is ranging in emotion and has passion and I'll give Live another go. Until then I'll stick to listening to their early albums.
I once again say that it is impossible to call yourself a “fan” if you say that the band is making shit. That is it. I mean, if the author says that it is only his state of mind for now that affects his writing, you know, and after that people do not try to get into this state of mind (which from my HO is MUCH more interesting then blindly following everything) instead of which they say F words concerning what their “favorite” band is now doing.

Yes. The people that blindly follow a band and convince themselves that they like the material. (Not saying that everyone who likes SFBM just convinces themselves, there are a number who genuinely like it). But I don't think having an open mind has anything to do with the reaction that a lot of people have had to the last two albums.

(Btw, how can there 'be a majority of fans who will accept it and drool over it'... I'm under the impression that these fans are in the minority...)

I think I explained it above, yet again. Above that, we do not have any official stats, right?

To be fair, you seem to be the one fighting back. You said earlier that intelligent discussion about it is good.. and it is. I don't think that people who don't like the new material shouldn't be able to relay their opinions.
Absolutely. More than that, on my board people are always freer to express their feelings and it mostly for sure concerns the latest works of LIVE. Anyway, I hardly ever see the intelligent discussion here… Sad to say… And moreover, fighting back is not my style at all. Relaying is one thing. Bashing and covering with dirt is a completely different thing, see?

Anyway, you say Live feel like doing it.. I strongly question if their hearts are in it anymore. I don't see, as a musician, how playing SFBM material would be gratifying. I'd rather they give the band up than keep making music as empty as this. (Unless they do genuinely enjoy doing it..)
Damn, why do you consider it empty? What if THEY do not?

So right now, even though you have no idea what the new album will entail, you've decided that you're going to like it. I think you need to practice what you preach and have an open mind.
I have not decided anything, you know. LIVE albums are just something I always wait for. And until now they have not left me sad with my expectations unfulfilled. And it has been 10 years, you know.

This post has been edited by +Ed+: Feb 7 2008, 4:30 am