It's official: Live are breaking up!!, Hypothetical Discussion Options

[Wambangalang]

...is what you'd be reading if live decided to call it quits. I honestly think its around the corner. Ed talking down the importance of releasing full studio albums, the atrocious album sales, the general lack of interest even amoungst their own fan community. This is how bands fizzle out. Theyre not gonna make another throwing copper anytime soon. i think we all just face the music and start a money pool

im placing $10 on May 2008

[Trathena]

Somewhere on this board (I think it's in the Outtakes and B-sides thread), I wrote that having finally heard DOAD I can understand SFBM, because this band began as a pop-rock band. They've come full circle. No one responded, so I felt foolish.

I'm vindicated! :-)

And no, I don't understand the "17-year" statement either. I remember when SFBM came out and so many people said, "you just don't like progression." I just figured they didn't really know what "progression" means.

I also heard "They've grown up" as an excuse. I heard that one a lot. Again, I never understood how that could be an argument for SFBM. For TDTH? Absolutely. But not this last one. But these arguments usually come from fans who discovered LIVE with "Heaven." They show up in those Album threads saying things like, "I don't like the term 'bitch' in waitress. The Ed I know doesn't disrespect women." Or, "puke stinks like beer is just stupid." See? They don't really understand the complexity of the lyrics in those earlier albums, so they don't recognize just how pedestrian and simplistic they've become in these later albums.

Sigh. You'd never know I was such a huge fan of this band from these recent posts of mine. Sorry.

[Badman]

"I don't like the term 'bitch' in waitress. The Ed I know doesn't disrespect women."

Lol! I think I said this word for word! I understand how it works in the song but you should never call a woman that even if you think she deserved it. I've seen women disrespected my whole life and I'm not going to perpetuate that. Oh yeah, BoP was the last album I bought... not the 1st

And Exist, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that you and Trath may have been the same person. When a person comes from no where to agree with everything you say it makes us suspicious. Although I really think you have better things to do with your time so I know it isn't you.

[Trathena]

Lol! I think I said this word for word! I understand how it works in the song but you should never call a woman that even if you think she deserved it. I've seen women disrespected my whole life and I'm not going to perpetuate that.

He's not disrespecting her!! God! If anyone is disrespecting anyone it's SHE who disrespected her customers by being a bitch to them! And he's STILL trying to get his date?wife?friend? whoever to leave her a tip. He's MORE than respecting her! It's clear from the song that he's repeating what his friend has called her. In other words, the conversation is going like this:

Friend: "I'm not leaving her a tip; she was a bitch."

Ed: "Ok, maybe she was a bitch, but she got our food here on time and she's cute and she's probably had a sucky day and everyone deserves some fucking change."

Ed's treating her better than she deserves! God! Don't you dare make me explain "Century."

And no one "knows" Ed except his friends and family. And maybe not even them.

I'm not Existential's sock puppet, but I sure enjoy his posts. And, yeah, I kinda did come out of nowhere and just jump in conversations, but I've lurked a long time and I've never been the "introduce myself" kind of poster. I did the same thing on the Traversing board, and a few there said, "Who the hell are you?" :-)

[Badman]

He's not disrespecting her!! God! If anyone is disrespecting anyone it's SHE who disrespected her customers by being a bitch to them!

Um, I said, "I understand how it works in the song." You also left out the double meaning on the word "change" because the tip money could change her life or day and Ed thinks she deserves that. You completely missed my meaning in your haste. I personally don't believe in calling women that name. Name calling helps no one.

[Trathena]

Um, I said, "I understand how it works in the song."

I know you said that. But you're ignoring how it works in the song because you had a knee-jerk reaction to the word "bitch," and you're clinging to that for some reason, so I'm going to let this go.

You also left out the double meaning on the word "change" . . .

[sarcasm]And you've left out the TRIPLE meaning of the word "change" because showing some compassion to the working poor could CHANGE his friend's life![/sarcasm]

Come on. You clutch at your pearls because of a perfectly descriptive word in a song, but you have no hesitation writing an ugly fantasy about Ed's kids and wife dying?

We're pretty much done here.

[LiveRoCkS77]

I know you said that. But you're ignoring how it works in the song because you had a knee-jerk reaction to the word "bitch," and you're clinging to that for some reason, so I'm going to let this go.
[sarcasm]And you've left out the TRIPLE meaning of the word "change" because showing some compassion to the working poor could CHANGE his friend's life![/sarcasm]

Come on. You clutch at your pearls because of a perfectly descriptive word in a song, but you have no hesitation writing an ugly fantasy about Ed's kids and wife dying?

We're pretty much done here.

Don't bother trying to explain something simple to a simpleton.

It's laughable how people are so hell bent on justifying their own views, while not taking the time to listen to something that makes complete sense. Some people aren't smart enough to interpret context, instead focussing on their narrow caveman simplicity.

"ME WANT MEAT".......gotta talk their language.

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Dec 8 2007, 11:59 am

[Badman]

Don't bother trying to explain something simple to a simpleton.

You can just type "Badman" it is shorter than "simpleton" and more clear.

I don't have to change my opinions of women to make board members happy. Calling her a "bitch" in the song works for Ed because he wrote it. For the 3rd time, my personal creed dictates I never disrespect a woman even if you think she deserved it. I actually wrote out my self constitution back when I was 18. I did it so I would never forget what was important.

[Trathena]

You can just type "Badman" it is shorter than "simpleton" and more clear.

Aww, you're a good sport. And I'm not being condescending, I really think that.

I'm not going to comment anymore on the "bitch" thing. That you actually believe that I think you should change your opinions on women, means that either you don't understand my posts or I'm not explaining myself well at all. We're coming at this from two different directions and we'll never agree.

For what it's worth, I've read a few of your posts when I was only lurking, and we agree on religion and politics. :-)

Peace!
Trathena