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post Oct 16 2007, 8:59 pm
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I haven't seen one of these yet... and it always seems to generate a firestorm of conflict so...

What religion are you or what are your beliefs?

I looked up Live fans from facebook and found that most were christians. Although, most people are nervous.gif I just want to know what the real fans think.


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post Oct 25 2007, 12:06 am
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QUOTE(Badman @ Oct 24 2007, 5:38 pm) *

I think it's sick to teach religion to a child. They have no way to distinguish or choose at that level.


your opinion and you are entitled to it, but are you a parent? if not, get back to me about how you think kids should be raised. myself and my kids' father have chosen to start their lives out in an organized religion for many personal reasons, none i wish to discuss here but suffice it to say, when they are old enough to discuss and make their own decisions about their beliefs, i will embrace their choices, just as my family did for my brother and i. my daughters are raised in knowing we made choices for them when they were unable to and that any and all beliefs are good, as long as they, my girls, respect the rights of others....my brother is buddist, my good friend jewish and others close to us are not catholic.

all that dribble imho....and torcato, yes, i know...you are no idiot....not many here are...just over opinionated on some topics... wink.gif

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post Oct 25 2007, 7:31 am
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QUOTE(Badman @ Oct 24 2007, 6:38 pm) *

I think it's sick to teach religion to a child. They have no way to distinguish or choose at that level.


I think you're wrong. Children should be taught religion. There's a difference between teaching religion and forcing someone to believe in a religion. I actually think learning about various world religions and religion in general should begin at a young age. Think about how open-minded we would all be about religion. Today, it seems the complete opposite. Many young people are dragged into a religion without any knowledge of that religion nor any other religion. They simply believe something because their parents believe it. This creates close-mindedness.

I actually saw a story about a 7-year-old preacher in Alabama the other day. His father is a preacher too and the kid, though incredibly intelligent for his age, clearly spews back everything he has heard his father preaching. I think this is a prime example of what we are doing to our kids. Everyone, even your own kids believe it or not, deserves religious freedom.

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all that dribble imho....and torcato, yes, i know...you are no idiot....not many here are...just over opinionated on some topics... wink.gif


So true. smile.gif


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QUOTE(torcatofan @ Oct 25 2007, 7:31 am) *

I think you're wrong. Children should be taught religion. There's a difference between teaching religion and forcing someone to believe in a religion. I actually think learning about various world religions and religion in general should begin at a young age. Think about how open-minded we would all be about religion. Today, it seems the complete opposite. Many young people are dragged into a religion without any knowledge of that religion nor any other religion. They simply believe something because their parents believe it. This creates close-mindedness.

I actually saw a story about a 7-year-old preacher in Alabama the other day. His father is a preacher too and the kid, though incredibly intelligent for his age, clearly spews back everything he has heard his father preaching. I think this is a prime example of what we are doing to our kids. Everyone, even your own kids believe it or not, deserves religious freedom.
So true. smile.gif


You and I think alot alike and I agree with you on alot of these points. Teaching kids about all the religions is great b/c it encourages a cosmopolitan view of the world and limits Ethnocentrism. It does seem to be interesting that the push towards religion at a young age does drive people away at older ages... It happened to me.

I think because kids have not been fully enculturated they have really pure thoughts they we could learn from. "From the mouth of a baby, will come the world saving words that will save us all" to quote Ed. I saw that same video you did and it was sick. The parents were proud of their little bigot. They took away that kid's innocence and that kid will probably one day reject all that he was taught.

And to Slaine, no, I do not have children b/c I am a student and I have to get a foundation before I can begin my family. I was taught christianity as a kid and sometimes I associate things with supernatural qualities because I haven't broke myself of the habit and I have to stop and think about how foolish the thoughts are. I don't want my kids to have to go through what I am going through.


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