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post Aug 18 2007, 10:32 pm
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I didn't even buy it because I wanted to. I mean, obviously I have been contently listening to my perfect-sounding downloaded versions for many years. I bought it just so I could go over $25 on my amazon.com purchase and get free shipping...wooo hooo !!

But anyways... let's all be honest here. How many of you actually own actual copies of all the albums?


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I have to agree with Patrick. I'm a little shocked by how many people these days think it's okay to steal music. Music is a product, just the same as a chocolate bar or a coke. Stop making exuses as to why it's okay, and open your wallet. If you don't like it enough to pay for it, you don't have the right to own it.

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QUOTE(icewaterike @ Aug 19 2007, 11:34 am) *

I have to agree with Patrick. I'm a little shocked by how many people these days think it's okay to steal music. Music is a product, just the same as a chocolate bar or a coke. Stop making exuses as to why it's okay, and open your wallet. If you don't like it enough to pay for it, you don't have the right to own it.

And if you can't afford it, then what the hell do you do then?



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QUOTE(beau99 @ Aug 19 2007, 3:10 pm) *

And if you can't afford it, then what the hell do you do then?


Sorry... I know I sound like an uber-capitalist when I say what I said above, but I know a lot of people who are active performers in the industry and the illegal downloading that is so widely-accepted in society is really hurting the industry as a whole, and the livelihood of the performers in it. Anyone who knows how the system actually works these days with sales, advances from record labels and the effect that declining business can have on a band's success with those labels, knows what can happen to a band whose sales drop-off.

I don't know where this notion that music is 'for the people' got so out of hand. If you can't afford diamonds, a steak, or a new CD, they should all be equally wrong to steal. This is clearly not the case.

Music isn't free. It's a very simple thing to understand.

If you want to download music, use iTunes or some other legal download sites and pay for it. Because music is so personal and emotive, and because you hear it literally EVERYWHERE you go in society these days, people seem to think that it is a universal, free, thing. People in the industry who are middle-class bands (some would argue that Live are one of these bands) NEED you to buy their music to reach a statistical ground where their contracts with their record labels are viable. When you are a fan of a band, and steal their music, you're biting the hand that feeds you. They may not stick around long enough in the industry for you to get another album to rip-off.

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QUOTE(icewaterike @ Aug 19 2007, 3:58 pm) *

Sorry... I know I sound like an uber-capitalist when I say what I said above, but I know a lot of people who are active performers in the industry and the illegal downloading that is so widely-accepted in society is really hurting the industry as a whole, and the livelihood of the performers in it. Anyone who knows how the system actually works these days with sales, advances from record labels and the effect that declining business can have on a band's success with those labels, knows what can happen to a band whose sales drop-off.

I don't know where this notion that music is 'for the people' got so out of hand. If you can't afford diamonds, a steak, or a new CD, they should all be equally wrong to steal. This is clearly not the case.

Music isn't free. It's a very simple thing to understand.

If you want to download music, use iTunes or some other legal download sites and pay for it. Because music is so personal and emotive, and because you hear it literally EVERYWHERE you go in society these days, people seem to think that it is a universal, free, thing. People in the industry who are middle-class bands (some would argue that Live are one of these bands) NEED you to buy their music to reach a statistical ground where their contracts with their record labels are viable. When you are a fan of a band, and steal their music, you're biting the hand that feeds you. They may not stick around long enough in the industry for you to get another album to rip-off.



Well-said. But also keep in mind that bands don't just make money from selling albums. It would be very difficult to "steal" a T-shirt, concert ticket, etc. I would also argue that Live has had plenty of success with their music. I would imagine they have reached that statistical ground. Anyways, good post.


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torcatofan   I bought Secret Samadhi today   Aug 18 2007, 10:32 pm
dangum   But anyways... let's all be honest here. How ...   Aug 18 2007, 10:36 pm
SJN1279   I do. Me too!   Aug 18 2007, 10:37 pm
SinfulEyes   I didn't even buy it because I wanted to. I m...   Aug 18 2007, 10:55 pm
Leigh   Yep, I have all albums.   Aug 19 2007, 12:37 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   I do. The downloaded thing would never be the same...   Aug 19 2007, 5:25 am
SecretInsomnia   Me too, if that means the studio albums. I thought...   Aug 19 2007, 6:02 am
torcatofan   I thought that most the people here would have th...   Aug 19 2007, 9:25 am
patrick W BURG   I doubt it. And I'm thinking the people that ...   Aug 19 2007, 1:15 pm
brandedwendy   I do, except for Awake, that one was completely me...   Aug 19 2007, 6:46 am
Hoodstock   I physically own all of the albums. All I've ...   Aug 19 2007, 7:26 am
Savior   But anyways... let's all be honest here. How ...   Aug 19 2007, 7:37 am
LiveRoCkS77   I have em all, including Awake. Wasn't awake t...   Aug 19 2007, 9:42 am
Grandpa Grizz   I have purchased each LiVE album since Throwing Co...   Aug 19 2007, 9:51 am
Kymra   I have purchased each LiVE album since Throwing C...   Aug 19 2007, 10:34 pm
Hoodstock   I have purchased each LiVE album since Throwing C...   Aug 20 2007, 10:41 pm
beau99   I physically own Awake and V.   Aug 19 2007, 10:05 am
LiveRoCkS77   I physically own Awake and V. Heheheh, yeah I o...   Aug 19 2007, 5:12 pm
crazy1   I have all of them. My TC is atleast 12 years old...   Aug 19 2007, 10:46 am
torcatofan   I have to agree with Patrick. I'm a little s...   Aug 19 2007, 2:07 pm
icewaterike   But also keep in mind that bands don't just m...   Aug 19 2007, 3:35 pm
slainte   ^^^^^^^^^^ LMAO!!! i own all of them ...   Aug 19 2007, 5:18 pm
Jennyfoo   I have every CD except for SFBM. I do have a burn...   Aug 19 2007, 6:29 pm
J.Sax   I have everything from Four Songs through Songs fr...   Aug 19 2007, 6:45 pm
ladylakini17   i've got em all too :nod:   Aug 19 2007, 8:25 pm
Tina   I have every single one of them also and I love th...   Aug 19 2007, 8:51 pm
slainte   ditto that on adam's work too. my adam and the...   Aug 19 2007, 9:12 pm
Badman   I have everything but awake and four songs. I wa...   Aug 19 2007, 10:01 pm
+Ed+   Thumbs up for Ike. I know you are a genious, pal...   Aug 20 2007, 12:36 am
BERLINONE   I also own every official album. The truth is that...   Aug 20 2007, 2:45 am
Alex   I own all bar SFBM. I can't believe how many p...   Aug 20 2007, 3:54 am
torcatofan   I own all bar SFBM. I can't believe how many ...   Aug 20 2007, 8:18 am
patrick W BURG   I'm not saying that I completely advocate dow...   Aug 20 2007, 8:45 am
torcatofan   Did you pay for the CD's that you ripped them...   Aug 20 2007, 8:47 am
patrick W BURG   No, I borrowed them from someone who did pay for ...   Aug 20 2007, 9:23 am
torcatofan   I can't believe how many people nowadays are ...   Aug 29 2007, 3:57 pm
Pokey   I have all bar Awake and SFMB. I like my music to...   Aug 20 2007, 5:14 am
Gertjan   Ditto Pokey. Expect that I own every Live album ...   Aug 20 2007, 6:55 am
Pokey   So .. if his friend paid for the copy, wouldn...   Aug 20 2007, 10:22 am
crazy1   We covered this in my law class...if you are not t...   Aug 20 2007, 10:50 am
crazy1   It's okay to rip songs...if you OWN the cds. I...   Aug 20 2007, 1:58 pm
lynn32701   I own each and every one of them, including Four S...   Aug 20 2007, 2:01 pm
crazy1   I own each and every one of them, including Four ...   Aug 20 2007, 2:07 pm
ponzu   I own all of 8 of them. I don't have DOAD or ...   Aug 21 2007, 1:23 pm
Lakini's Juice   Own em all and some singles. :lol:   Aug 29 2007, 2:07 am


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