A discussion a long time coming Options

[patrick W BURG]

Hello,

I've been browsing this board for a few years now, just to keep up with the latest on my favorite band, Live. Today, I finally decided to register, so I can actually contribute.

I read in the tour section a few differing opinions about something that may or may not even be that big of deal, but I have an opinion, so I figured I'd share, for sharing's sake.

I personally can't stand when Ed takes his shirt off at shows. I understand he is the artist, and his expression should ideally be unfettered, but still... I think he loses the connection with the audience. I know he's been doing this for years, but maybe we've just grown numb as to how lame he actually looks.

I've been an AVID Live fan since 94, and I still love the band, and I still love the shows. For me, this is something that I have just learned to tolerate. I recently took one of my buddies to a show, and when he started stripping, I couldn't help but cringe inside. Same thing when I took my girlfriend to a show. It just gets awkward. And both my friend and my girlfriend agreed that the stripping made the show much more cheezy and "gay" and much less cool.

You want to get into the songs wholeheartedly, but something just prevents you from doing so.

So, what do you guys think?

[Existentialist]

Don't worry about Liverocks. I think it's pretty obvious from his posts in this thread that he's gay, from his bringing up homophobia repeatedly to his suspect comments about the work Ed has done to his body. I still think Ed looks like a bitch....although he is toned, I bet he couldn't bench more than 150 pounds once. And seriously, what kind of man fucking waxes? Honestly the more I think about it, Ed is probably gay.

The point here isn't that we feel uncomfortable watching this, or that we feel gay ourselves, it's that our favorite band, what used to be the total anti-pop band, is up there trying foolishly and desperately to look cool. LIVE had the music world by the balls in the mid 90s, and they went and released Secret Samadhi. Do you think they gave a fuck what anyone thought back then? They were doing it for themselves and it was awesome.

Now, they are doing it for others. They do the same exact stuff night after night and there is no other explanation for it other than they think the crowd likes it. And that's bullshit. I don't know how long you all have been LIVE fans, but that's not the way it used to be. I'm all for on stage energy and getting the crowd involved, but isn't there a less scripted and desperate way to do it?

P.S. For everyone saying Ed is hot, please reveal your age. You know how 60 year old women go to Rolling Stones concerts these days and think Mick Jagger is hot, despite his horrid appearance? That's how you guys come across to those a decade or three younger...

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Aug 3 2007, 6:32 pm

[Hoodstock]

Seriously, if I go to a rock concert I'm there to hear the music. It's never bothered me at all. Bands can do what they want on stage, it's part of the performance. People expecting a politically correct fine little show should watch a local band perfomring in front of the community courthouse on Friday night at 6.

People always gripe about Ed saying "Get the fuck up" during Lakini's Juice because they brought their kids or complain about him mentioning the war. He is a rocker. Go see Justin Timberlake if you don't want that kind of stuff.

If bands do stuff you don't like just stay at home and listen to the CD. Ed always takes off his shirt, the crowd gives a small reaction, and the show goes on. It's really indifferent. If you think about it I guess it's better than watching him try to rock in a soak'in wet sweaty ass shirt. Either way though, it doesn't matter.

By the way:

Don't worry about Liverocks. I think it's pretty obvious from his posts in this thread that he's gay, from his bringing up homophobia repeatedly to his suspect comments about the work Ed has done to his body.

I agree. Liverocks =

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Aug 3 2007, 8:49 pm

[Existentialist]

Seriously, if I go to a rock concert I'm there to hear the music. It's never bothered me at all. Bands can do what they want on stage, it's part of the performance. People expecting a politically correct fine little show should watch a local band perfomring in front of the community courthouse on Friday night at 6.

People always grip about Ed saying "Get the fuck up" or talking about the war. If bands do stuff you don't like just listen to the CD. Ed always takes off his shirt, the crowd gives a small reaction, and the show goes on. It's really indifferent. If you think about it I guess it's better than watching him try to rock in a soak'in wet sweaty ass shirt. Either way though, it doesn't matter.

By the way:
I agree. Liverocks =

Again, at least understand what we're saying before you make a counterargument. I'm certainly not offended by his taking his shirt off because I'm a prude, but because it's just uncool to do what he does. He can say fuck all he wants, he can burn flags or do whatever he wants to do, just as long as it's not a part of a scripted act that is put together for the sole purpose of trying to look cool. He's embarrassing himself and that's not what I want to see when I'm paying to see LIVE.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Aug 3 2007, 8:53 pm

[Hoodstock]

Again, at least understand what we're saying before you make a counterargument. I'm certainly not offended by his taking his shirt off because I'm a prude, but because it's just uncool to do what he does. He can say fuck all he wants, he can burn flags or do whatever he wants to do, just as long as it's not a part of a scripted act that is put together for the sole purpose of trying to look cool. He's embarrassing himself and that's not what I want to see when I'm paying to see LIVE.

Maybe you should understand my statement. There is no counter argument with you. What I said was not about you at all. I said my perspective on the topic and then simply agreed with you saying Liverocks is gay.

So, relax!

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Aug 3 2007, 9:04 pm