i am no longer a fan of this band Options

[gotigrz]

in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my mind, was one of the catchiest songs with a great back beat that i'd ever heard. my friend told me one night... "the name of that song is "selling the drama" but i don't know by who".... well, that's where it started and this is where it ends.

i've been a huge Live fan for about 12 years now, and i can't hide my feelings about this band any longer. and here's why: I am a Christian. if you are not a Christian then this band and their lyrics may not bother you, but if you are a Christian, then i don't see how they couldn't bother you. i've made excuse after excuse for Live, so that i could bring myself not to think about excatly what Ed is singing about and just enjoy the music. well, 12 years later... i can't do it any longer. i read some peoples thoughts on songs of Live's and i think a lot of people think they are singing about love between a man and a woman,..... and that is NOT what he's doin'.

i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, drinks and i'm sure he's been drunk, and puff on doobie backstage, and anything else that is not "good"... talk about Jesus the way he does in his songs. esp. Selling the Drama, Operation Spirit, I alone, and i'm sure a bunch more cause that's all he sings about.

if anyone can tell my why i'm looking into his songs the wrong way.... please enlighten me, but if you can't, and i doubt you will...... i'm done w/ Live. and if there are any true Christians reading this... i hope you do the same.

so, before Live can be done with me.... i'm done with them.

[GvB]

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
But you're blatantly wrong.
Define style. Rhythm, I'll agree, is an integral part of the criteria I would use to analyze and judge a song. So that's arguing for my point, and against yours. Notation is obviously nothing to do with the kind of music (as in pop rock) that you're talking about, as I'm assuming Live don't notate their songs.[/quote]

But someone who is able to write the notation down, can, by playing the piano, for example figure out which tones Ed sings and the accords of the guitars and so on.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
If rhythm and style are objectional factors, then surely melody, timbre, and dynamics are also part of this. ALL of these factors do hover between lines in terms of good writing or personal enjoyment- good melodies, to some, aren't good to others. I've never denied this.[/quote]

You did, by talking about "well written" all the time and all the parts exept for the emotion are all at least composed and written and you can have different opinions on if that has happened well so I think "well written" is subjective.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
The same can be applied to dynamics, timbre, rhythm etc. But these elements can, to varying degrees, be judged objectively. Can you accept that??? [/quote]

(See, there you go again).

No, because of the personal enjoyment of a person and the emotions which are beyond that (being seriously moved, feeling better or even healed inside) is subjective.
And I never meant to say that I'm beyond you in that, I only say that I can feel something which is more worth TO ME than enjoyment itself.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
You called me 'elitist' but you made a comment like this which clearly insinuates that my enjoyment of music is of a lesser degree than yours; you seem to be implying that with my analysis, and approach of listening to music I don't have the same understanding of the 'transcendental' qualities some music can possess. [/quote]

No, your approach is DIFFERENT from mine, and I just dont like it if people try to tell me what music IS good or bad (written or performed), I decide my own opinion about that.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
so I'll clear it up by saying that music is almost completely my entire life.
If I hadn't discovered music at an early age, I would be an entirely different person now, as the choices and paths I've taken with it have been with me through growing up. My life is mostly centered around music, and I enjoy music immensly. [/quote]

Same counts for me and I don't know if you can, but I can find comfort, support, confirmation a release of negative emotions and the strenght to be more optimistic than I otherwise would be in it and I can't find the words for how that really feels either.
I can get chills from it too and a song that really touches me can even make me cry or really make me smile.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
Actually, words can't describe feelings I get when listening to music. You said there was enjoyment beyond getting 'chills' for music. Maybe, for you, there is. [/quote]

Yes, a good melody with a fantastic (in my opinion) singer, who gives me the feeling that he/she believes in or even feels what he/she sings (It feels to me as if Ed feels what he sings and his voice can change the way I feel too and even make me making my mind up about spiritual things and it's not only the lyrics, it's the way he sings it in combination of the sound of the instruments. Britney, who is brought up too often in this forum already, doesn't do that to me. I don't believe that she really feels what she sings), and lyrics and the melody and the sound of the instruments that help me to cheer up or making up my mind about spiritual and emotional things and work them out.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
But you certainly can't say you enjoy it any more than I do,[/quote]
No and I never would really mean to say that.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']you just have a different measure of how your body reacts to sound. [/quote]

And I think that how my soul reacts to it is to me most important, and that can cause a chills and tears all of a sudden.

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
Also, so you know, I certainly don't listen to music for the first time with the process I do after giving music a good subjective chance. I like to experience music through many mediums, in many places, and it's only after I've decided whether I personally like the music or not that I'll consider it's objective quality. Even then, I don't do it often. [/quote]

That's the difference, I listen most to the singer (I admit I know most about singing and melody about music), what the singer sings, tones (I love it when it goes from very low to very high and back, Ed is good in that in my opinion) and sometimes from slow to faster and from faster to slower and the mood in the singers voice and if the music fits with that (I love it if there is a guitar or piano or both involved and the sound of that has to fit with the lyrics, in my opinion).

[quote name='Alex' date='Nov 22 2006, 2:09 am' post='23176']
I just hate the thought that people on here actually think SFBM is objectively good. It's obviously not. [/quote]

It is SUBJECTIVELY good to me and SUBJECTIVELY bad to you and I say that all the time that "good music" is SUBJECTIVE, because everybody wants something else to hear.
And I'm sick of people calling it objective and I never did that and I never will (if you think I did, then I want evidence).

By the way, the quoting thing doesn't work again.

GvB.

This post has been edited by GvB: Nov 23 2006, 2:28 pm