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gotigrz
post Nov 13 2006, 9:38 am
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in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my mind, was one of the catchiest songs with a great back beat that i'd ever heard. my friend told me one night... "the name of that song is "selling the drama" but i don't know by who".... well, that's where it started and this is where it ends.

i've been a huge Live fan for about 12 years now, and i can't hide my feelings about this band any longer. and here's why: I am a Christian. if you are not a Christian then this band and their lyrics may not bother you, but if you are a Christian, then i don't see how they couldn't bother you. i've made excuse after excuse for Live, so that i could bring myself not to think about excatly what Ed is singing about and just enjoy the music. well, 12 years later... i can't do it any longer. i read some peoples thoughts on songs of Live's and i think a lot of people think they are singing about love between a man and a woman,..... and that is NOT what he's doin'.

i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, drinks and i'm sure he's been drunk, and puff on doobie backstage, and anything else that is not "good"... talk about Jesus the way he does in his songs. esp. Selling the Drama, Operation Spirit, I alone, and i'm sure a bunch more cause that's all he sings about.

if anyone can tell my why i'm looking into his songs the wrong way.... please enlighten me, but if you can't, and i doubt you will...... i'm done w/ Live. and if there are any true Christians reading this... i hope you do the same.

so, before Live can be done with me.... i'm done with them.


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Ok

I am a Christian. Now I only read up to about page 4 so sorry if I repeat anything anyone else has said.

Gorgitz (I think that's what your name was)

You are making all Christians look really really bad with your narrow view on all other cultures and life. It's fine to follow the faith you believe in and even be what a lot of people would call a "Jesus Freak". I'm one. But I don't go on any boards preaching to people about why they shouldn't listen to a certain band. ESPECIALLY this band. Now if you are on a Rob Zombie or Marylin Manson board maybe I could understand your decesion not to follow a band like that anymore.

What I get out of Live is a lot of positive messages. If you follow Christian Rock at all you will understand that most Christian rock is positive messages not bands quoting Jesus, God, and the Bible all the time. Now Live isn't a Christian band far from it actually But they relay the same kind of messages that Live sends out about Peace, Love, and Oneness.

Also being a Christian does not mean you have to shut yourself off from society. Do you watch rated R movies or even PG-13? Do you not watch some of the most popular shows on TV? Do you not read any book that doesn't completely just shout Christianity out to you the entire time. Check out this site www.christianrock.net they actually have a "Secular" music discussion that Christians just like you and myself discuss bands such as Live, and all kinds of other bands from System of a Down to John Mayer. It's not a sin to listen to music like this. You won't go to hell for it.

As a Christian I don't exactly like the lyrics in "Operation Spirit" but I at the same time can also see where Ed was coming from back then. BECAUSE I was in the same shoes. I didn't know Jesus but I knew he was a great and powerful person. But what he was back then did mean nothing to me until I completely understood him. And I don't believe that Ed was saying anything positive about Jesus in that song. Because he has since changed the lyric to "What a man was 2000 years ago means everything to me today" So even Ed himself realized it was very Jesus friendly.

I do believe Ed Loves Christ....now I don't know if he will get into Heaven because I do know he dips into a lot of other types of Spirituality. And there is only one God and he is a Jealous one as it states in the bible. So I doubt Ed would make it into Heaven altough I'd love to see him there. But what I'm trying to say is Ed loves what Christ teaches...Peace, Love, and Oneness. Just like Buddah. Whats so wrong with what Buddah taught? You can love Christ and be a devout Christian and still Love and enjoy the teachings of Buddah. You just can't have more than one faith. I don't. But I still understand the message the Buddah puts out there for us. I even have a lil Buddah statue in my bedroom.

Anyway I'm blabering at this point and probably make no sense whatsoever.

I'm a very devout Christian who loves this band and don't wanna push my beliefs on anyone else. You believe what you want. I'll believe what I want. Just don't hate me for who I am and I won't do the same to you.

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gotigrz   i am no longer a fan of this band   Nov 13 2006, 9:38 am
beau99   From one Christian to another: You're an idi...   Nov 13 2006, 10:06 am
FishOutaWater   in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my ...   Nov 13 2006, 10:09 am
gotigrz   then shouldn't the song be called "He A...   Nov 13 2006, 10:41 am
beau99   Yeah. FishOutaWater is correct. Hell, "Sell...   Nov 13 2006, 10:15 am
Deku   With respect, it's your problem and not Live...   Nov 13 2006, 10:33 am
beau99   No, you're just looking into things way too de...   Nov 13 2006, 10:51 am
gotigrz   No, you're just looking into things way too d...   Nov 13 2006, 11:33 am
lien   ...and another one of these threads... :vomit: ...   Nov 13 2006, 11:11 am
Live inside   in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my ...   Nov 13 2006, 11:39 am
gotigrz   hey, i'm not trying to piss people off. i...   Nov 13 2006, 11:58 am
crustyclown80   If you cannot admit you might possibly be wrong ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:05 pm
crustyclown80   If you cannot admit you might possibly be wrong ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:15 pm
GvB   The first thing I thought was: oh no, not such a t...   Nov 13 2006, 2:01 pm
aLIVEinNORWAY   ? And in the interview on the dvd of SFBM Ed GvB...   Nov 14 2006, 4:46 am
Leigh   WHAT DVD :omg: Some countries didn't get the...   Nov 14 2006, 7:03 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   Some countries didn't get the Dual Disc Leig...   Nov 14 2006, 8:30 am
GvB   WHAT DVD :omg: aLIVEinNORWAY: sorry, I mean the...   Nov 14 2006, 8:47 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   aLIVEinNORWAY: sorry, I mean the dvd side of the ...   Nov 15 2006, 4:14 am
crustyclown80   And this is why, among other religious sects, Chri...   Nov 13 2006, 12:03 pm
Senghe   If you were a REAL christian, you'd just forgi...   Nov 13 2006, 12:12 pm
flyersfan62379   Man, I'm glad I'm not religious one bit. ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:26 pm
FishOutaWater   how are both of those statements possible? It...   Nov 13 2006, 1:00 pm
gotigrz   you're right. why? why do you think Jes...   Nov 13 2006, 1:35 pm
beau99   "the greatest of teachers (Jesus) will leav...   Nov 13 2006, 1:46 pm
gotigrz   well, in my defense.... i believe that Jesus is ...   Nov 13 2006, 1:51 pm
gotigrz   "from the mouth of a baby will come the world...   Nov 13 2006, 1:47 pm
torcatofan   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 1:57 pm
gotigrz   see, that's just it. i take my relationship...   Nov 13 2006, 2:31 pm
tswart1   but, when he starts telling people to think of t...   Nov 13 2006, 5:17 pm
Senghe   Well then you lose. Go find a new band. Maybe ...   Nov 13 2006, 7:02 pm
GvB   he clearly states "to Christ: a cross and t...   Nov 14 2006, 10:08 am
FishOutaWater   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 2:12 pm
Senghe   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 2:21 pm
FishOutaWater   Firstly you've totally misinterpreted Operati...   Nov 13 2006, 2:32 pm
gotigrz   i agree, i never thought it was about a man and ...   Nov 13 2006, 2:46 pm
Tabucky   Okay. Gotigrz, you're a fucking idiot. Let m...   Nov 13 2006, 5:35 pm
FishOutaWater   Thanks for the shout out about the meanings of ...   Nov 13 2006, 5:44 pm
Tabucky   Thanks for the shout out about the meanings of so...   Nov 13 2006, 5:47 pm
GvB   "I am in NYC today. I visited St. Patrick’s...   Nov 14 2006, 4:28 pm
FishOutaWater   Ah, man, thank you, I have gotten so many nice sho...   Nov 14 2006, 5:51 pm
Tabucky   Ah, man, thank you, I have gotten so many nice sh...   Nov 14 2006, 5:55 pm
jaybb   i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, ...   Nov 13 2006, 1:16 pm
FishOutaWater   Great post.   Nov 13 2006, 1:30 pm
aLIVEinNORWAY   "I am no longer a fan of this band" Wel...   Nov 13 2006, 1:39 pm
beau99   If it makes you feel better, in concert Ed changes...   Nov 13 2006, 1:51 pm
gotigrz   no, that doesn't make me feel better. that,...   Nov 13 2006, 3:58 pm
crustyclown80   Everyone should know by now bringing God into a di...   Nov 13 2006, 4:38 pm
beau99   Well I personally don't care what Ed writes ab...   Nov 13 2006, 1:53 pm
Wambangalang   if you were a 'true' christian you would a...   Nov 13 2006, 1:54 pm
Deku   Gotigrz - I assume that the 'spiritual leader...   Nov 13 2006, 2:03 pm
brandedwendy   if you're done with the band because of your b...   Nov 13 2006, 2:50 pm
Wambangalang   a-huh! In all his glory, god has taken ed...   Nov 13 2006, 2:51 pm
Wambangalang   maybe we should ask ted haggard what he thinks abo...   Nov 13 2006, 2:57 pm
jaybb   The question remains, however, that what gives the...   Nov 13 2006, 4:36 pm
gotigrz   please don't compare The Holy Bible to some ...   Nov 13 2006, 4:52 pm
beau99   i hope i didn't make anyone mad, but i real...   Nov 13 2006, 4:56 pm
HiItsNino   LOL...thats too funny. He pops in here to tell us...   Nov 13 2006, 4:57 pm
summersd619   please don't compare The Holy Bible to some b...   Nov 13 2006, 8:17 pm
HiItsNino   This is why "religion" (not to be confus...   Nov 13 2006, 4:40 pm
FishOutaWater   OK, here goes my rant. It's long, but hopeful...   Nov 13 2006, 5:26 pm
tswart1   Unfortunately because of people like him around wh...   Nov 13 2006, 5:19 pm
Hoodstock   FYI faggot - Live is a band that sings songs that ...   Nov 13 2006, 6:35 pm
Tabucky   In the end, this thread is just deja vu all over a...   Nov 13 2006, 8:06 pm
Ed's Goddess   Why do you even bother?? I appreciate the fact tha...   Nov 13 2006, 8:31 pm
Deku   Sorry Gotigrz but you really have lost this one, a...   Nov 13 2006, 9:01 pm
Wambangalang   wow. it's sad that you feel that way. God...   Nov 13 2006, 11:53 pm
Leigh   The guys have often said that they are not a chris...   Nov 14 2006, 6:59 am
lien   you're right. why? why do you think Jesus w...   Nov 14 2006, 7:30 am
livebat   i'm sorry but i think you need some atention.....   Nov 14 2006, 9:51 am
lien   I hope you can buy this in Norway, because it can...   Nov 14 2006, 3:47 pm
Edismyhero   If there is one thing I've learned from living...   Nov 14 2006, 4:02 pm
Wambangalang   my SFBM dvd had the making of the river, but no in...   Nov 14 2006, 10:39 pm
SecretInsomnia   my SFBM dvd had the making of the river, but no i...   Nov 15 2006, 6:33 am
GvB   there is a little interview behind each played so...   Nov 15 2006, 8:44 am
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