i am no longer a fan of this band Options

[gotigrz]

in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my mind, was one of the catchiest songs with a great back beat that i'd ever heard. my friend told me one night... "the name of that song is "selling the drama" but i don't know by who".... well, that's where it started and this is where it ends.

i've been a huge Live fan for about 12 years now, and i can't hide my feelings about this band any longer. and here's why: I am a Christian. if you are not a Christian then this band and their lyrics may not bother you, but if you are a Christian, then i don't see how they couldn't bother you. i've made excuse after excuse for Live, so that i could bring myself not to think about excatly what Ed is singing about and just enjoy the music. well, 12 years later... i can't do it any longer. i read some peoples thoughts on songs of Live's and i think a lot of people think they are singing about love between a man and a woman,..... and that is NOT what he's doin'.

i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, drinks and i'm sure he's been drunk, and puff on doobie backstage, and anything else that is not "good"... talk about Jesus the way he does in his songs. esp. Selling the Drama, Operation Spirit, I alone, and i'm sure a bunch more cause that's all he sings about.

if anyone can tell my why i'm looking into his songs the wrong way.... please enlighten me, but if you can't, and i doubt you will...... i'm done w/ Live. and if there are any true Christians reading this... i hope you do the same.

so, before Live can be done with me.... i'm done with them.

[GvB]

I'll give them respect for their older albums. I won't give them respect for the meaningless last two albums.

Stop judging Live for making albums that I don't like? Er... why? I'm on a message board and I'll 'judge' them all I want. Thank you.

Why do you keep bringing this stuff up? You've missed my point, yet again. The quality of music isn't based on your enjoyment of it. I said you were ignorant if you can't appreciate the fact that there is music that is much better written than Lives. You don't have to care for or enjoy this music, but denying its existence is ignorant. Also, on this point about 'hiphop, r&b, classical music'; that's what I was referring to with my statement about approaching music with an open mind. A large number of people here seem to have enjoyment of a relatively specific kind of music, and disregard a lot of other music. For a music fan, I think that's a stupid thing to do, as there is so much music in so many genres to be discovered.


Er... yes. (???)
I'm having trouble trying to understand what you're saying. Still, my point remains the same. You might enjoy it, but it doesn't make it good.

I don't spend much time telling people I don't like the newer albums, actually. The posts I do make about it are written because the complete lack of knowledge about music and objectivity displayed by certain people on this forum get to me. Why do you spend so much time replying to these posts? It's the same argument- and a rather redundant one at that.

And on listening to music- yes, 95% of my day I spend listening to, analyzing, and enjoying music in various forms.
No, that's why my initial post read
I wasn't referring to you.
I don't have to, no. But I want to, so I will contiune to do so. I just want people that enjoy the album to admit that it's not well written.
I'm also addicted to music. I still need my weetbix though. I'm sincerely glad SFBM makes you happy.

One other thing- the way you quoted my post took numerous comments out of context. Next time at least take whole sentences, if not paragraphs... thanks.

We have totally different opinions on well written, that's okay with me.
For the record, I maybe did'nt take the whole thing to quote, but I have read it, don't worry.

I'll tell you what I see as well written: I hardly analize the guitarrifs and rythms.
I can read music notes, and hear when it goes false, but that's all.

I'm more an emotional and spiritual listener, a song can make me feel much better when I feel down or motivate me to do something for the world or for just one other person or can finally make something clear to me and working things out.
Otherwise I have to bother my friends too often with what's all weighing on my mind, and that would make me feel very sorry for them anyway!
And I have a weakness for songs which are in one way sad, but at the other hand hopefull.
And one simple lyric or the words in one verse or the chorus of a song can do that to me.
Such a song can get a sort of sacret or at least very valuable to me, and it hurts me if someone goes on about well written, to me it is, because it helps me.

And feeling supported emotionally is in my opinion not less worth than someone who is analyzing the songs technically.
What I hear when I hear the older albums of Live, is music and lyrics made by people who are unhappy and struggling with things, people who are angry and sad.
And on Secret Samadhi most songs sound even scared to me.
I can't feel supported by them when I need to, but if you can get out of it what you want or need, that's fine with me.
The songs of SS make me even go back in time when I felt sad, angry, anxious and hopeless.

Why do the later albums sounds different?
I think they sound lighter and sweeter, because they are happier and about finally finding a destination and love and a raw and angry sound just doesn't fit with that.
And when I listen Songs From Black Mountain then I hear a very special kind of warmth in the songs and a happiness of people who are finally really happy.
I think it's not standard and poppy, it's the REAL happy sound to me.
People here say quiet often that a lot of songs by other artists are already about love.
But there are not that much people who can sing so convincing and so vulnerable about real love like Ed, I think.

And if I hear Ed singing on BoP or SFBM, I have the feeling that I hear someone who is finally happy after some very, very, very, hard times but still doesn't forget the rest of the world and who has figured out that we can only make this world better if we put all the love that we have in it by doing good things to ourselves each other and the nature.
And that's not an easy message, like other people may think here.
but to me it's a beautiful one.

I hope that going back to the angry sound (mentioned in another topic) doesn't mean that there have happened currently bad things to Ed or other Live members and that it's a kind of rock everybody here loves.

GvB.