i am no longer a fan of this band Options

[gotigrz]

in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my mind, was one of the catchiest songs with a great back beat that i'd ever heard. my friend told me one night... "the name of that song is "selling the drama" but i don't know by who".... well, that's where it started and this is where it ends.

i've been a huge Live fan for about 12 years now, and i can't hide my feelings about this band any longer. and here's why: I am a Christian. if you are not a Christian then this band and their lyrics may not bother you, but if you are a Christian, then i don't see how they couldn't bother you. i've made excuse after excuse for Live, so that i could bring myself not to think about excatly what Ed is singing about and just enjoy the music. well, 12 years later... i can't do it any longer. i read some peoples thoughts on songs of Live's and i think a lot of people think they are singing about love between a man and a woman,..... and that is NOT what he's doin'.

i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, drinks and i'm sure he's been drunk, and puff on doobie backstage, and anything else that is not "good"... talk about Jesus the way he does in his songs. esp. Selling the Drama, Operation Spirit, I alone, and i'm sure a bunch more cause that's all he sings about.

if anyone can tell my why i'm looking into his songs the wrong way.... please enlighten me, but if you can't, and i doubt you will...... i'm done w/ Live. and if there are any true Christians reading this... i hope you do the same.

so, before Live can be done with me.... i'm done with them.

[Alex]

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']
No, but if they ever made songs that you really loved, then you can at least show some respect to them, even if you don't think that the newer albums are as well written as the older.
They ever gave you something that you loved very much, thank them for that, but accept it and let them go if they don't give you what you want anymore.
And let the people who love the newer Live be, and stop telling them that the newer Live sucks, because to for example Beau99, Lien, Rocknerd and me the newer Live doesn't suck at all.
[/quote]

I'll give them respect for their older albums. I won't give them respect for the meaningless last two albums.


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']So then you must understand what Live can mean to people.
No, you don't have to justify yourself, but I would like it if you stop judging me and other people who do like the newer albums and judging Live for making albums you don't like.
[/quote]

Stop judging Live for making albums that I don't like? Er... why? I'm on a message board and I'll 'judge' them all I want. Thank you.



[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']But the question of good or bad music depends on what the listener feels about it, I think.
In my opinion Live has made 3 good albums, although there is 1 album which is too painfull to me to listen too (because of bringing back old pain to me) and 4 fantastic albums!
If everybody feels the same about music, then the world gets boring.
What about people who love totally something else like hiphop, r&B, classical music?
Are they all ignorant?
The people that you love, do they all love the first 3 albums of Live?
If they don't: are they all ignorant?[/quote]

Why do you keep bringing this stuff up? You've missed my point, yet again. The quality of music isn't based on your enjoyment of it. I said you were ignorant if you can't appreciate the fact that there is music that is much better written than Lives. You don't have to care for or enjoy this music, but denying its existence is ignorant. Also, on this point about 'hiphop, r&b, classical music'; that's what I was referring to with my statement about approaching music with an open mind. A large number of people here seem to have enjoyment of a relatively specific kind of music, and disregard a lot of other music. For a music fan, I think that's a stupid thing to do, as there is so much music in so many genres to be discovered.



[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']It might be that it doesn't make it good to YOU, but it's awesome to me![quote]

I have no problem with you enjoying it, but it's still not 'good'. Please try to grasp this.




[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']You can like it if you are open for it, but if you are not, well then it doesn't speak to you.
Can be.
[/quote]

Er... yes. (???)


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']But that doesn't say something about being ignorant or not.
Some music fits better with you because of your background and your character, but that doesn't mean that the music you don't like is per definition bad.
It's bad to you, but good to someone else.
No, its not to me, but you don't have to open your mind for it if you don't want to, or are unable to.
then it just doesn't fit with you.
So, why don't you?
Why do you spend so much time in telling everybody that you don't like the newer albums?
Meanwhile you can listen to the older ones and enjoy them!
Or enjoy the other music that you like even better!
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I'm having trouble trying to understand what you're saying. Still, my point remains the same. You might enjoy it, but it doesn't make it good.

I don't spend much time telling people I don't like the newer albums, actually. The posts I do make about it are written because the complete lack of knowledge about music and objectivity displayed by certain people on this forum get to me. Why do you spend so much time replying to these posts? It's the same argument- and a rather redundant one at that.

And on listening to music- yes, 95% of my day I spend listening to, analyzing, and enjoying music in various forms.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']Did I ever say that?.[/quote]

No, that's why my initial post read [quote]I've seen a few posts about 'opening your mind' lately[/quote]
I wasn't referring to you.


[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']But that doesn't mean that you have to work off on that band and on people who do like the albums that you dislike.
Okay, I've worked off on Secret Samadhi myself and I regret that now, because I've hurt people with that.
I let another discussion get out of hand.[/quote]

I don't have to, no. But I want to, so I will contiune to do so. I just want people that enjoy the album to admit that it's not well written.

[quote name='GvB' date='Nov 20 2006, 10:29 am' post='23015']I don't need weetbix, I'm addicted to music, I'm gonna check out Songs Black mountain now.
That album makes me feel so happy!
[/quote]

I'm also addicted to music. I still need my weetbix though. I'm sincerely glad SFBM makes you happy.

One other thing- the way you quoted my post took numerous comments out of context. Next time at least take whole sentences, if not paragraphs... thanks.