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post Nov 13 2006, 9:38 am
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in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my mind, was one of the catchiest songs with a great back beat that i'd ever heard. my friend told me one night... "the name of that song is "selling the drama" but i don't know by who".... well, that's where it started and this is where it ends.

i've been a huge Live fan for about 12 years now, and i can't hide my feelings about this band any longer. and here's why: I am a Christian. if you are not a Christian then this band and their lyrics may not bother you, but if you are a Christian, then i don't see how they couldn't bother you. i've made excuse after excuse for Live, so that i could bring myself not to think about excatly what Ed is singing about and just enjoy the music. well, 12 years later... i can't do it any longer. i read some peoples thoughts on songs of Live's and i think a lot of people think they are singing about love between a man and a woman,..... and that is NOT what he's doin'.

i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, drinks and i'm sure he's been drunk, and puff on doobie backstage, and anything else that is not "good"... talk about Jesus the way he does in his songs. esp. Selling the Drama, Operation Spirit, I alone, and i'm sure a bunch more cause that's all he sings about.

if anyone can tell my why i'm looking into his songs the wrong way.... please enlighten me, but if you can't, and i doubt you will...... i'm done w/ Live. and if there are any true Christians reading this... i hope you do the same.

so, before Live can be done with me.... i'm done with them.


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ok, first, i want to thank the people that actually took the time to speak their point of view on all of this, and not just say "you Jesus freak, ... get out!". that's not the mentality that I have. but, i have a few more questions:

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In the verses (of selling the drama) he sings from the point of view of a person who can be seen and followed as a leader by other people (that leader can be for example a teacher, a preacher or maybe even a president or prime minister) and who likes the power he has too much.


ok, well then, is he not saying that he thinks that Jesus is one of these people that did what they did for power? and in that video, what book is ripping the pages from? bible? ed sure does make it seem so.

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which is the infinite love that Jesus, Buddha or Ed even speaks of.


that's fine if they are all talking about the same kind of love, but only one of those guys died for all of mankind to be saved, and only one of those guys was raised from the dead from All Mighty God, whether you believe it or not. but, ed will have you believe that it's best not to just read a book and hear what Someone says but go out and find love for yourself. right? well, let me ask you.... if you take his advice,.... are you not doing what ed is telling you to do? is that not taking advice from one over another?


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"I am in NYC today. I visited St. Patrick’s Cathedral. There is a statue inside of the fallen Christ. He is lying in Mary’s arms. There is one just like it in the St. Mary’s Church in York, Pennsylvania where I was baptized and confirmed. Today, I knelt and wept at this beautiful and Sacred monument to the Dying God. I was overwhelmed by a feeling of deep, unfathomable Compassion. I cried and cried and cried. Not a single person looked at me twice. I touched His Blessed Feet, caressed His Wounds, and, in a New York minute, my entire life to this point, passed me by. What is any of this but the Dream of the Christ? Every-Thing surrendered perfectly in Compassion. Good Night and God Bless You all."


that's great! but Christ said that no man shall go to God but through Him. i mean do you think that ed would do the same for a statue of the buddha in Japan? My belief is that i'm sure that the buddha, Jesus and whoever were great great people. but, only Jesus is the Saviour, the Son of God. do you think ed believes that? i really wish that i could speak to ed about this.

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The "hitler in a robe of truth" once told me that anyone who does not believe that Jesus died so that my sins could be forgiven by God will burn in hell for all eternity -- but God loves them... That doesn't even pass the logic test let alone sound anything like a just and loving God. That is control by using fear. Teaching those things accrues power to the teacher.


yes, God does love them all,.... everyone. but, do you not love your child, too? your child may do "something" that would or could change your relationship w/ them, forever. but, does that make you stop loving them? no, or atleast i hope not. "Teaching those things accrues power to the teacher".... but, Jesus gave ALL the credit to God, the Father. Jesus never did anything to say..."look at Me". He did it all for us and God.






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gotigrz   i am no longer a fan of this band   Nov 13 2006, 9:38 am
beau99   From one Christian to another: You're an idi...   Nov 13 2006, 10:06 am
FishOutaWater   in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my ...   Nov 13 2006, 10:09 am
gotigrz   then shouldn't the song be called "He A...   Nov 13 2006, 10:41 am
beau99   Yeah. FishOutaWater is correct. Hell, "Sell...   Nov 13 2006, 10:15 am
Deku   With respect, it's your problem and not Live...   Nov 13 2006, 10:33 am
beau99   No, you're just looking into things way too de...   Nov 13 2006, 10:51 am
gotigrz   No, you're just looking into things way too d...   Nov 13 2006, 11:33 am
lien   ...and another one of these threads... :vomit: ...   Nov 13 2006, 11:11 am
Live inside   in 1994 i heard a song and the radio that, in my ...   Nov 13 2006, 11:39 am
gotigrz   hey, i'm not trying to piss people off. i...   Nov 13 2006, 11:58 am
crustyclown80   If you cannot admit you might possibly be wrong ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:05 pm
crustyclown80   If you cannot admit you might possibly be wrong ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:15 pm
GvB   The first thing I thought was: oh no, not such a t...   Nov 13 2006, 2:01 pm
aLIVEinNORWAY   ? And in the interview on the dvd of SFBM Ed GvB...   Nov 14 2006, 4:46 am
Leigh   WHAT DVD :omg: Some countries didn't get the...   Nov 14 2006, 7:03 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   Some countries didn't get the Dual Disc Leig...   Nov 14 2006, 8:30 am
GvB   WHAT DVD :omg: aLIVEinNORWAY: sorry, I mean the...   Nov 14 2006, 8:47 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   aLIVEinNORWAY: sorry, I mean the dvd side of the ...   Nov 15 2006, 4:14 am
crustyclown80   And this is why, among other religious sects, Chri...   Nov 13 2006, 12:03 pm
Senghe   If you were a REAL christian, you'd just forgi...   Nov 13 2006, 12:12 pm
flyersfan62379   Man, I'm glad I'm not religious one bit. ...   Nov 13 2006, 12:26 pm
FishOutaWater   how are both of those statements possible? It...   Nov 13 2006, 1:00 pm
gotigrz   you're right. why? why do you think Jes...   Nov 13 2006, 1:35 pm
beau99   "the greatest of teachers (Jesus) will leav...   Nov 13 2006, 1:46 pm
gotigrz   well, in my defense.... i believe that Jesus is ...   Nov 13 2006, 1:51 pm
gotigrz   "from the mouth of a baby will come the world...   Nov 13 2006, 1:47 pm
torcatofan   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 1:57 pm
gotigrz   see, that's just it. i take my relationship...   Nov 13 2006, 2:31 pm
tswart1   but, when he starts telling people to think of t...   Nov 13 2006, 5:17 pm
Senghe   Well then you lose. Go find a new band. Maybe ...   Nov 13 2006, 7:02 pm
GvB   he clearly states "to Christ: a cross and t...   Nov 14 2006, 10:08 am
FishOutaWater   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 2:12 pm
Senghe   "from the mouth of a baby will come the worl...   Nov 13 2006, 2:21 pm
FishOutaWater   Firstly you've totally misinterpreted Operati...   Nov 13 2006, 2:32 pm
gotigrz   i agree, i never thought it was about a man and ...   Nov 13 2006, 2:46 pm
Tabucky   Okay. Gotigrz, you're a fucking idiot. Let m...   Nov 13 2006, 5:35 pm
FishOutaWater   Thanks for the shout out about the meanings of ...   Nov 13 2006, 5:44 pm
Tabucky   Thanks for the shout out about the meanings of so...   Nov 13 2006, 5:47 pm
GvB   "I am in NYC today. I visited St. Patrick’s...   Nov 14 2006, 4:28 pm
FishOutaWater   Ah, man, thank you, I have gotten so many nice sho...   Nov 14 2006, 5:51 pm
Tabucky   Ah, man, thank you, I have gotten so many nice sh...   Nov 14 2006, 5:55 pm
jaybb   i can not sit back and let some guy that cusses, ...   Nov 13 2006, 1:16 pm
FishOutaWater   Great post.   Nov 13 2006, 1:30 pm
aLIVEinNORWAY   "I am no longer a fan of this band" Wel...   Nov 13 2006, 1:39 pm
beau99   If it makes you feel better, in concert Ed changes...   Nov 13 2006, 1:51 pm
gotigrz   no, that doesn't make me feel better. that,...   Nov 13 2006, 3:58 pm
crustyclown80   Everyone should know by now bringing God into a di...   Nov 13 2006, 4:38 pm
beau99   Well I personally don't care what Ed writes ab...   Nov 13 2006, 1:53 pm
Wambangalang   if you were a 'true' christian you would a...   Nov 13 2006, 1:54 pm
Deku   Gotigrz - I assume that the 'spiritual leader...   Nov 13 2006, 2:03 pm
brandedwendy   if you're done with the band because of your b...   Nov 13 2006, 2:50 pm
Wambangalang   a-huh! In all his glory, god has taken ed...   Nov 13 2006, 2:51 pm
Wambangalang   maybe we should ask ted haggard what he thinks abo...   Nov 13 2006, 2:57 pm
jaybb   The question remains, however, that what gives the...   Nov 13 2006, 4:36 pm
gotigrz   please don't compare The Holy Bible to some ...   Nov 13 2006, 4:52 pm
beau99   i hope i didn't make anyone mad, but i real...   Nov 13 2006, 4:56 pm
HiItsNino   LOL...thats too funny. He pops in here to tell us...   Nov 13 2006, 4:57 pm
summersd619   please don't compare The Holy Bible to some b...   Nov 13 2006, 8:17 pm
HiItsNino   This is why "religion" (not to be confus...   Nov 13 2006, 4:40 pm
FishOutaWater   OK, here goes my rant. It's long, but hopeful...   Nov 13 2006, 5:26 pm
tswart1   Unfortunately because of people like him around wh...   Nov 13 2006, 5:19 pm
Hoodstock   FYI faggot - Live is a band that sings songs that ...   Nov 13 2006, 6:35 pm
Tabucky   In the end, this thread is just deja vu all over a...   Nov 13 2006, 8:06 pm
Ed's Goddess   Why do you even bother?? I appreciate the fact tha...   Nov 13 2006, 8:31 pm
Deku   Sorry Gotigrz but you really have lost this one, a...   Nov 13 2006, 9:01 pm
Wambangalang   wow. it's sad that you feel that way. God...   Nov 13 2006, 11:53 pm
Leigh   The guys have often said that they are not a chris...   Nov 14 2006, 6:59 am
lien   you're right. why? why do you think Jesus w...   Nov 14 2006, 7:30 am
livebat   i'm sorry but i think you need some atention.....   Nov 14 2006, 9:51 am
lien   I hope you can buy this in Norway, because it can...   Nov 14 2006, 3:47 pm
Edismyhero   If there is one thing I've learned from living...   Nov 14 2006, 4:02 pm
Wambangalang   my SFBM dvd had the making of the river, but no in...   Nov 14 2006, 10:39 pm
SecretInsomnia   my SFBM dvd had the making of the river, but no i...   Nov 15 2006, 6:33 am
GvB   there is a little interview behind each played so...   Nov 15 2006, 8:44 am
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