Chris Shinn interview on Rockonomics podcast Options

[dangum]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rockono...1278270986?mt=2

I haven't listened to it yet, but Chris talks about Live.

[Existentialist]

My opinion is that Chris was brought in for his bags of money and was shown the door as soon as he pulled out of UFD. My opinion is also that the LIVE boys have not made good financial decisions and are bad news.

This post has been edited by Existentialist: Nov 28 2018, 5:56 pm

[Bremang]

My opinion is also that the LIVE boys have not made good financial decisions and are bad news.

If they're using other peoples money (Chris) it's all good. UFD seems to be underway still and theoretically could pay off pretty huge.

[Existentialist]

If they're using other peoples money (Chris) it's all good. UFD seems to be underway still and theoretically could pay off pretty huge.

It could, but I’ll bet with anyone that it won’t. If Shinn and his incredible resources determined he should back out, it ain’t a good sign. And, when a company is founded by a convicted conman, it also ain’t a good sign. Any takers?

[Bremang]

And, when a company is founded by a convicted conman, it also ain't a good sign. Any takers?

I'm always alone on this one, but I still like considering that maybe all of this is an elaborate con.

Chris Shinn, the sweet-hearted, very emotional, wannabe rockstar multi-millionaire seems like an easy mark for a conman. As conmen of all trades tend to seek out wealthy people in general.
All Live had to do was fake a breakup, pretend to fall in love with Chris, pitch him on United Fiber, and boom, you have a big investor.

Faking a breakup has all kinds of perks. Live was in a pitfall in their career. Ed couldn't sustain the classic Live sound any longer. So split the fanbase, double the exposure, and get a massive conversation rolling with the fans. All press is good press sometimes. It also keeps people distracted from realizing that Live would not come close to meeting expectations of the 90's anymore. Ask any of these fake beefing rappers know how much a good beef helps their career.

All they had to do was make up some bullshit about a lead singer bonus. And then ask any lawyer, it really wouldn't be difficult to write up a couple Complaints and file it in superior court. Ed has plausible deniability by saying he can't discuss the situation at all because there is an ongoing lawsuit, which conveniently took forever to resolve.

Meanwhile Ed goes on a bunch of world tours with a couple albums and fans love him. CCP get to finally rock out again with singers who can handle the music. They get to hype up a reformation of Live and they go on the Summerland tour. Both parties cash in on separate Throwing Copper reunion shows. And of course the return of Ed in the band makes a huge splash and helps them get great billing at festivals which pay a ton.

And when you get Chris involved, if you listen to that interview, maybe CCP and Ed knew how much Chris dreamed of finally making it. He would give anything. After spending all those years drinking, after all those extremely regrettable decisions which left him without a famous band, he said Live was his lifeline. What would he give to stay in CCP's good graces? Why wouldn't Chris opt in to make alot of money with a fiber optic company. No sweat, he's got plenty of cash.

Surely Bill Hynes couldn't have been involved in the plotting, right?

Sounds like a great financial plan compared to Ed and CCP remaining together in Live back in 2009 as they spiral way downhill.



Either that or feel free to believe in the current story.

I guess you would rather believe that CCP dropped their lifelong friend Ed because of a lead singer bonus and a secret contract, after an ultimatum that Ed forced upon them, which CCP sheepishly agreed to and suffered for years in the mid 2000s because the three of them together are oh so battered and emotionally defenseless. Chad Gracey and Pat just submitted to Ed's demands. Upon the breakup both parties completely shit on each other and swear to never be involved with each other again. Chad Gracey cries several times about being put behind a glass cage to protect Ed's "wittle ears" when actually the glass cage serves a different purpose and there's nothing wrong with it. Chad T. goes on huge public rants in his blog "by accident." CCP find Chris and they love him. Ed suddenly loves being solo and truly Christian in his heart. Then CCP pull a 180 and hate Chris, dump him and hide the music, and they love Ed to pieces cause they had a beer at a restaurant. Ed pulls a 180 and swears off Christianity. Only then to have Ed come and take full credit with outsider Zak Loy in the songwriting, having sideshow drummers in studio and on tour (two drummers on stage!)after CCP were vehemently fighting with fans online, as well as extrapolating in all the lawsuits, claiming each member of Live was essential and contributed equally, demanded to be paid 25% a piece, and that Live would always be the sum of four equal parts, and that it would always be this equation. Now Gracey doesn't even drum half the time.


I would never underestimate Ed, CCP, or Bill when it comes to manipulation. Who knows how many people Live have to support and guide their career. Ever since Public Affection, these guys have taken a special fondness to public perception. Just look at those old public affection newsletters.They lie in almost every interview from day one.



This post has been edited by Bremang: Nov 30 2018, 2:40 am