Chris Shinn interview on Rockonomics podcast Options

[dangum]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rockono...1278270986?mt=2

I haven't listened to it yet, but Chris talks about Live.

[Voodoo Lady]

I’d like to add, that Shinn finally opening his mouth after 2 1/2 years to address this, is rather fishy.

[promiseIma Livefan]

I’d like to add, that Shinn finally opening his mouth after 2 1/2 years to address this, is rather fishy.

Whatever you think of Shinn please remember that CCP, in order to protect Ed's fragile ego, agreed to pretend The Turn never happened. That was a complete shit thing for them to do.Yes, there are always two sides to every story but that is a fact that cannot be denied. Therefore, I give Chris the benefit of the doubt given that plus the fact CCP spent years hating on Ed on social media (some of it well deserved imo) then turning around and embracing him for what appears to be for financial motivations. Point is CCP's credibility is proven to be suspect.

This post has been edited by promiseIma Livefan: Nov 29 2018, 8:26 am

[Voodoo Lady]

Whatever you think of Shinn please remember that CCP, in order to protect Ed's fragile ego, agreed to pretend The Turn never happened.

Just when in the heck was this ever verified, said, or published?

There’s more to the story between Shinn & CCP that we don’t know. Whatever it was isn’t our business. What -is- our business is the music, merchandise, and touring in which Live chooses to currently put out for us to spend money on or not. No one has to choose to stick around and be a fan if it.

I’ll say this again... I’ve seen another band in sort of the same situation, who had a different lead singer for an album, got their original singer back, and they ignored that album for a while and enraged some fans. Currently that ignored-for-a-while album is listed on the discography. Live will recognize The Turn again at some point.

[promiseIma Livefan]

Just when in the heck was this ever verified, said, or published?

There’s more to the story between Shinn & CCP that we don’t know. Whatever it was isn’t our business. What -is- our business is the music, merchandise, and touring in which Live chooses to currently put out for us to spend money on or not. No one has to choose to stick around and be a fan if it.

I’ll say this again... I’ve seen another band in sort of the same situation, who had a different lead singer for an album, got their original singer back, and they ignored that album for a while and enraged some fans. Currently that ignored-for-a-while album is listed on the discography. Live will recognize The Turn again at some point.

And what was ever verified, said or published to confirm that Live will recognize The Turn again one day in the future? Again, I agree there is always more to the story than what we publicly know. I was directly responding to you saying what Chris did was fishy (per your reasoning we do not know why he waited this long to say something so why judge?); however, CCP has been doing "fishy" things for a couple of decades now. Bottom line is, whatever CCP's reasoning was, if you put your heart and soul into something and then its as if it never happened OF COURSE its going to be upsetting. Peace, and you may have the last word if you choose

This post has been edited by promiseIma Livefan: Nov 29 2018, 10:03 am

[Voodoo Lady]

And what was ever verified, said or published to confirm that Live will recognize The Turn again one day in the future? Again, I agree there is always more to the story than what we publicly know. I was directly responding to you saying what Chris did was fishy (per your reasoning we do not know why he waited this long to say something so why judge?); however, CCP has been doing "fishy" things for a couple of decades now. Bottom line is, whatever CCP's reasoning was, if you put your heart and soul into something and then its as if it never happened OF COURSE its going to be upsetting. Peace

I can understand now how Shinn would be questioned about his split from Live. If he’s putting out new music, he might get thrown that question. I didn’t notice the new music thing, because I’m not interested. Honestly, it all still is a little fishy. More drama means more attention for you, especially when you are putting out a new product. In the past, I’ve even wished interviewers would ask Ed and Chad T. tough questions and they don’t. Makes me wonder if they get questions to preview ahead of time instead of being asked on the fly, who knows? Oh I can speculate with the best of you. What fun would this be if we didn’t? I speculate that CCP didn’t not decide to disregard The Turn because of Ed’s fragile ego (which I don’t believe is at all fragile). It’s a natural thing a band would do in this situation.

[promiseIma Livefan]

I can understand now how Shinn would be questioned about his split from Live. If he’s putting out new music, he might get thrown that question. I didn’t notice the new music thing, because I’m not interested. Honestly, it all still is a little fishy. More drama means more attention for you, especially when you are putting out a new product. In the past, I’ve even wished interviewers would ask Ed and Chad T. tough questions and they don’t. Makes me wonder if they get questions to preview ahead of time instead of being asked on the fly, who knows? Oh I can speculate with the best of you. What fun would this be if we didn’t? I speculate that CCP didn’t not decide to disregard The Turn because of Ed’s fragile ego (which I don’t believe is at all fragile). It’s a natural thing a band would do in this situation.

Ok I lied about you having last word lol. You said it was natural that a band would disregard their own record with a new singer. You said you know of one band that did....ok. Can you name several more? Because there have been many bands through the years that changed line-ups, including new singers, and chose not to disregard their own work so I would not say it is natural, just a decision they made. And that is a huge decision. Months of writing and touring and hard work just to pretend it did not happen and to pull it away from the fans after releasing it with no warning or explanation. If you can think of a better reason than Ed,in all seriousness, I would like to know considering that decision corresponded with the return of Ed. Without ANY explanation from the band on why they chose to do this all we have is speculation, which we have the right to do seeing as how we are the reason they have careers. If they do not like it they could choose to be more forthcoming. Besides, and this is more speculating, but I do not think Chris is going to get any more attention bringing up drama with a band that has not been relevant in two decades. As much as I love Live most people have no idea who they are. Ok for realsy I am through...possibly

This post has been edited by promiseIma Livefan: Nov 29 2018, 11:20 am

[Voodoo Lady]

Ok I lied about you having last word lol. You said it was natural that a band would disregard their own record with a new singer.

Yes, because it would be disrespectful. So if you want to make that all about Ed, fair enough.

You said you know of one band that did....ok. Can you name several more?

Not without research, because I’m no Eddie Trunk, naming off trivia off the top of my head. But lots of bands have been ashamed of certain members, not lead singers per say.

Because there have been many bands through the years that changed line-ups, including new singers, and chose not to disregard their own work so I would not say it is natural, just a decision they made. And that is a huge decision.

Maybe not as huge as we’re making it out to be. We don’t know yet. As said, it’s probably, “Eh, I don’t want to seem really disrespectful to my childhood friend right now that he’s just getting back in the band.

Months of writing and touring and hard work just to pretend it did not happen and to pull it away from the fans after releasing it with no warning or explanation.

They definitely didn’t tour for months.

If you can think of a better reason than Ed,in all seriousness, I would like to know considering that decision corresponded with the return of Ed. Without ANY explanation from the band on why they chose to do this all we have is speculation, which we have the right to do seeing as how we are the reason they have careers. If they do not like it they could choose to be more forthcoming. Besides, and this is more speculating, but I do not think Chris is going to get any more attention bringing up drama with a band that has not been relevant in two decades. As much as I love Live most people have no idea who they are. Ok for realsy I am through...possibly

Perhaps Shinn upset them some way and they don’t want to explain to avoid airing dirty laundry. So Chad T. publicly complimented him. Because no matter what it was, he still respects him as a person. I 100% don’t think they just used him for money.

[promiseIma Livefan]

Yes, because it would be disrespectful. So if you want to make that all about Ed, fair enough. Not without research, because I’m no Eddie Trunk, naming off trivia off the top of my head. But lots of bands have been ashamed of certain members, not lead singers per say.

Maybe not as huge as we’re making it out to be. We don’t know yet. As said, it’s probably, “Eh, I don’t want to seem really disrespectful to my childhood friend right now that he’s just getting back in the band.

They definitely didn’t tour for months.
Perhaps Shinn upset them some way and they don’t want to explain to avoid airing dirty laundry. So Chad T. publicly complimented him. Because no matter what it was, he still respects him as a person. I 100% don’t think they just used him for money.

We are never going to agree, but two points. They did not go on a months long tour, but over the course of several months they performed multiple venues both inside and outside the U.S. as far as CCP deciding on their own to disregard The Turn to respect Ed, this is possible. However, as you say they are childhood friends so they know him therefore if they chose to do this on their own it’s because they knew they had to in order to protect his feelings. Ed voluntarily left Live so why would he have any reason to be upset they recorded an album without him. Oh that’s right, fragile ego. So the choice was to respect Ed and in turn disrespect their fans that appreciated the best Live album that had come out in years? No explanations. No heads up. Just one day it’s gone. Again, a shitty thing to do. Maybe Shinn did do something that upset them, and if so that could explain some things, but at least with him they were able to make real rock music.

[mattyeagles]

We are never going to agree, but two points. They did not go on a months long tour, but over the course of several months they performed multiple venues both inside and outside the U.S. as far as CCP deciding on their own to disregard The Turn to respect Ed, this is possible. However, as you say they are childhood friends so they know him therefore if they chose to do this on their own it’s because they knew they had to in order to protect his feelings. Ed voluntarily left Live so why would he have any reason to be upset they recorded an album without him. Oh that’s right, fragile ego. So the choice was to respect Ed and in turn disrespect their fans that appreciated the best Live album that had come out in years? No explanations. No heads up. Just one day it’s gone. Again, a shitty thing to do. Maybe Shinn did do something that upset them, and if so that could explain some things, but at least with him they were able to make real rock music.

I’m just SHOCKED to hear that maybe CCP are also a$$holes. Who would’ve thought!!! Probably Ed’s fault anyway, even though he wasn’t on that tour. No way those guys have ever done anything wrong, ever.