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post Jul 10 2018, 9:20 pm
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Ed speaks about how he wasn't a fan of the band when Chris Shinn was the lead singer. And talks about how there is a lot of good 90s nostalgia-

http://alternativerevolution.net/ed-kowalc...ut-90s-nostalg/
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post Jul 12 2018, 2:25 pm
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"Really sort of lame"

What do you call SFBM and onward...

Or this performance with the highlight of the interview being:

https://youtu.be/94-lLjCtsTk?t=1m43s

Love Lounge, in my opinion, is worse than anything on The Turn. I have been listening to The Turn almost daily since Love Lounge and I appreciate the effort that was put into making that album. I felt like Chris was really trying and what they did to just "forget" the album was ever made is sad. Shows how insecure Ed is.
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post Jul 13 2018, 5:31 am
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QUOTE(likeido21 @ Jul 12 2018, 9:25 pm) *

"Really sort of lame"

What do you call SFBM and onward...

Or this performance with the highlight of the interview being:

https://youtu.be/94-lLjCtsTk?t=1m43s

Love Lounge, in my opinion, is worse than anything on The Turn. I have been listening to The Turn almost daily since Love Lounge and I appreciate the effort that was put into making that album. I felt like Chris was really trying and what they did to just "forget" the album was ever made is sad. Shows how insecure Ed is.


Are you forgetting they re-recorded some old Live-staples with Chris?
That was pretty lame. Trying to erase him from history.
Chris was still trying to emulate his voice on those tracks + on stage.
Later CCP dumped Chris and went back to Ed.
CCP are collectively a very horrible vindictive ex-girlfriend.
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post Jul 13 2018, 10:49 am
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QUOTE(Lakini's Juice @ Jul 13 2018, 6:31 am) *

Are you forgetting they re-recorded some old Live-staples with Chris?
That was pretty lame. Trying to erase him from history.
Chris was still trying to emulate his voice on those tracks + on stage.
Later CCP dumped Chris and went back to Ed.
CCP are collectively a very horrible vindictive ex-girlfriend.



And yet Chris still rocked the heck out of The Turn in a way Ed wishes he still could. I would take that lameness again over shooting that fear in deja vu land any day.
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post Jul 13 2018, 2:42 pm
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QUOTE(promiseIma Livefan @ Jul 13 2018, 11:49 am) *

And yet Chris still rocked the heck out of The Turn in a way Ed wishes he still could. I would take that lameness again over shooting that fear in deja vu land any day.



This was probably only for promotional issue, so no big deal. Not Chriss fault if the band was still called Live. And yes, The turn is a solid rock album that I highly doubt Live 3.0 can be on par with it.
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post Jul 13 2018, 10:08 pm
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The Turn bombed on the charts, the band barely toured once the album was released, and Chris Shinn couldn't remember lyrics.

Live 2.0 fell flat.

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The Turn bombed on the charts, the band barely toured once the album was released, and Chris Shinn couldn't remember lyrics.

Live 2.0 fell flat.


100 percent true except a lot of hardcore Live fans loved songs on The Turn and the live shows.


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post Jul 13 2018, 10:15 pm
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100 percent true except a lot of hardcore Live fans loved songs on The Turn and the live shows.


That may be true, but the band struggled to draw crowds on the road, and those "hardcore" fans weren't enough to sustain the new version of Live.

Live is still trying to recover from Live 2.0, and the messy split.
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post Jul 16 2018, 3:52 pm
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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jul 13 2018, 10:15 pm) *

That may be true, but the band struggled to draw crowds on the road, and those "hardcore" fans weren't enough to sustain the new version of Live.

Live is still trying to recover from Live 2.0, and the messy split.



if live is trying to recover from live 2.0, then Live 2.0 was trying to recover form the disaster that also preceded it. the original ed breakup was as nasty as it gets. it split the entire fan base right down the middle. they were in a tough spot crowdwise from the start. but the show i went to was off the charts

you want to blame shinn because he isnt ed. that was not fair to shinn in the least.

the turn was a great effort and easiluy better than anything ed or live or tgf put out since tdth.

but to try to say live is now trying to recover from live 2.0 is silly. ed and ccp throwing hissy fits created live 2.0 so u can blame them
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post Jul 16 2018, 4:56 pm
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QUOTE(Shared Belief @ Jul 16 2018, 4:52 pm) *

the turn was a great effort and easiluy better than anything ed or live or tgf put out since tdth.

LOL - the turn sucked. TGF easily blows it away!
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post Jul 18 2018, 3:56 pm
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QUOTE(Hoodstock @ Jul 16 2018, 4:56 pm) *

LOL - the turn sucked. TGF easily blows it away!


i like tgf a lot but there are some songs that just dont work for me. all but 1 on the turn i enujoy

im a big kevin martin fan too btw.

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smlevine88   Ed talks about Chris Shinn   Jul 10 2018, 9:20 pm
Existentialist   I wouldn't be a fan either, if my replacement ...   Jul 10 2018, 9:23 pm
dangum   The quote attributed to Ed is pretty old. He certa...   Jul 10 2018, 9:29 pm
Lakini's Juice   I wouldn't be a fan either, if my replacement...   Jul 11 2018, 4:13 am
mfitz804   Holy shit, that's a whole lotta negativity. ...   Jul 11 2018, 9:02 pm
Badman   I wouldn't be a fan either, if my replacement...   Jul 11 2018, 1:14 pm
mattyeagles   Are you forgetting they re-recorded some old Live...   Jul 13 2018, 10:40 am
Bremang   That may be true, but the band struggled to dra...   Jul 13 2018, 11:07 pm
Heather   LOL - the turn sucked. TGF easily blows it away...   Jul 16 2018, 6:13 pm
LiveForNow   That may be true, but the band struggled to draw ...   Jul 16 2018, 6:55 pm
SJN1279   What'd you think of the Turn? Not from a busi...   Jul 16 2018, 6:57 pm
mfitz804   Listened to it on Amazon when it first came out, ...   Jul 16 2018, 8:18 pm
promiseIma Livefan   The Turn bombed on the charts, the band barely to...   Jul 14 2018, 6:40 am
SJN1279   True. But V also bombed the charts and fell flat...   Jul 14 2018, 8:11 am
promiseIma Livefan   On Billboard, V charted 22, BOP charted 27, SFBM ...   Jul 14 2018, 9:11 am
Bremang   So they crawl back to their ex knowing they are...   Jul 14 2018, 10:55 am
promiseIma Livefan   no, it's for the $ You’re exactly righ...   Jul 14 2018, 11:30 am
alexou   You’re exactly right. But it’s the familiarity of...   Jul 14 2018, 2:00 pm
lylebeach   But it’s the familiarity of the original four tha...   Jul 16 2018, 10:41 am
likeido21   Honestly, out of every person throughout my Live ...   Jul 16 2018, 10:47 am
lylebeach   Even when [i]I Alone was at its height, I rememb...   Jul 16 2018, 1:05 pm
Bremang   And the dude who forgot his drums! :D C...   Jul 16 2018, 1:10 pm
Bob   A least with the Turn we got a good rock album. A...   Jul 14 2018, 3:47 pm
Existentialist   This, for me, has nothing to do with Ed vs CCP. Sh...   Jul 13 2018, 10:04 pm
Existentialist   I guess how you define success depends on why you...   Jul 14 2018, 6:41 am
SJN1279   I guess how you define success depends on why you...   Jul 14 2018, 8:09 am
Bremang   Better to open for the Counting Crows on a Live...   Jul 14 2018, 10:52 am
Existentialist   I put TGF and The Turn on equal footing and both a...   Jul 16 2018, 10:02 pm
Bob   I put TGF and The Turn on equal footing and both ...   Jul 16 2018, 11:18 pm
SecretInsomnia   I have to agree that TGF and The Turn are on equ...   Jul 17 2018, 4:53 am

 

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