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[promiseIma Livefan]

For those who believed that The Turn should not have been considered a Live album, should the current lineup- which consists of a second drummer and a new guitarist that both plays lead and contributes to the writing process- also not be considered Live? I am just interested in others' views on this. Granted all four original members are together again, but with the new cast it feels more like Live 2.0. Maybe they could rename themselves Living

This post has been edited by promiseIma Livefan: Jul 2 2018, 10:35 am

[Gruno]

Reminds me of when Ed would put Gracy in a glass cage. Just seems Ed is going out of his way to disrespect him.

Really reaching here, aren't you?

As far as Gracey goes being being the plexiglass, that was happening even when Live was playing on larger stages; that wasn't just an intimate thing. I think Ed was being petty on that one. They all use in-ear monitors. Ed could have kept them in the entire time and been none the wiser to how loud the drums were, or had the drums lowered in his mix if it was really a problem. If you have a dedicated sound engineer on the mix, you can tweak it to your liking instantly. That's also what soundcheck is for. If you're concerned about not being able to hear the crowd, you aim a mic out there. There are solutions to these issues. Thankfully, at least for now, those days are gone.

My biggest issue with the plexiglass days was that you couldn't hear it when CG was using his lighter sticks on songs like LC. The mix never increased his mics, so you couldn't hear much.

Plexiglass barriers are used to prevent mic bleed. The microphones from the front of the stage are pointed towards the performers to sing lead and backing vocals. Those mics are also pointing towards the back of the stage. Drums (mainly the cymbals) are a huge problem and are one of the main instruments that sound engineers have problems with because of mic bleed.

DEFINITION

Spill (also known as bleed and leakage) is the occurrence in sound recording (particularly in close miking) and live sound mixing whereby sound is picked up by a microphone from a source other than that which is intended. Spill is usually seen as a problem, and various steps are taken to avoid it or reduce it.

Avoiding spill

Using acoustic barriers (known as gobos); for live sound, plexiglass screens are sometimes used for drums and brass.

Yes, in-ear monitors help, but they can also hinder when mic bleed is persistent. Imagine the stage set up. Now, picture Ed singing into his mic while it's on the mic stand. Once he moves just off center, away from the mic, here comes a cymbal crash from Gracey, because the drums are directly behind Ed. Now, that crash is picked up by Ed's microphone, which is fed into his in-ear monitors. BOOM! That's what it sounds like.

Sometimes microphones used on stage are too good and pick up too much. Why don't they use plex now? Could be they got different mics that work in a way where they do not need plex. Also, sometimes plex is used for entire tours because the mix is already "dialed in", and using plex only in certain venues means the sound engineers need to go back and forth with sound levels/programming. This also creates a different sound mix for the band. Bands appreciate consistency.

As a side note: many bands use plex for live appearances. A friend of mine is currently drum teching for Ted Nugent and that drummer has a plex set up. No big deal.