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[promiseIma Livefan]

For those who believed that The Turn should not have been considered a Live album, should the current lineup- which consists of a second drummer and a new guitarist that both plays lead and contributes to the writing process- also not be considered Live? I am just interested in others' views on this. Granted all four original members are together again, but with the new cast it feels more like Live 2.0. Maybe they could rename themselves Living

This post has been edited by promiseIma Livefan: Jul 2 2018, 10:35 am

[mfitz804]

All it makes me think is that Chad T. is full of shit.

He made such a point how BOP and SFBM lacked the band's input, that SFBM was basically Ed's album and they were backup musicians, that whole thing.

Then they mount a comeback and he's got new band members and someone else writing the music. I guess having input in the material wasn't that important to him after all.

And let me add...why the hell does any band need a second drummer??

This post has been edited by mfitz804: Jul 3 2018, 3:56 pm

[promiseIma Livefan]

And let me add...why the hell does any band need a second drummer??

Reminds me of when Ed would put Gracy in a glass cage. Just seems Ed is going out of his way to disrespect him.

[mfitz804]

Reminds me of when Ed would put Gracy in a glass cage. Just seems Ed is going out of his way to disrespect him.

Those plexi enclosures are used for sound control, especially in smaller venues, it’s not disrespectful. And it would be the sound engineer that did it most likely, not Ed. Calling it a “glass cage” is just what anti-Ed people say.

However, ironically, two drummers accomplishes the opposite effect, as the plexi is used when a drummer hits too har/is too loud. Two drummers with no plexi means the drums will sound even heavier.

[Bremang]

Those plexi enclosures are used for sound control, especially in smaller venues, it's not disrespectful. And it would be the sound engineer that did it most likely, not Ed. Calling it a "glass cage" is just what anti-Ed people say.

However, ironically, two drummers accomplishes the opposite effect, as the plexi is used when a drummer hits too har/is too loud. Two drummers with no plexi means the drums will sound even heavier.

Except CG was taunting Ed saying he no longer needed to be behind glass so that his drumming would not hurt Ed's widdle ears, or something
but i agree with you, it doesn't make any sense to hate on the plexiglass. more fodder for the staged breakup conspiracy theory.

[dangum]

For those who believed that The Turn should not have been considered a Live album, should the current lineup- which consists of a second drummer and a new guitarist that both plays lead and contributes to the writing process- also not be considered Live?

Have you forgotten about Michael Railton? He toured from 1999 - 2002 and received writing credits on 2 Live albums (TDTH and V). Would you consider that Live 2.0? In my opinion it wasn't version 2.0 - it's not uncommon for bands to receive outside contributions during the writing or recording process, be it from a producer or another musican.

Don't forget that for The Turn, the band had Jerry Harrison providing substantial input, Bruce Wallace writing some lyrics and Jerry's daughter on backing vocals too.

1. CCP was the original three

You would never have heard of CCP if they had remained that way. How many bands without a singer have got a record deal, sold 20 million albums, toured the world, still making music after 30+ years? Yeah, not many.

Except CG was taunting Ed saying he no longer needed to be behind glass so that his drumming would not hurt Ed's widdle ears

I find it puzzling that Chad Gracey would have a problem with the plexiglass, yet be fine with another drummer playing his parts at the same time. Totally understand why it was done while Chad had an injured shoulder but to continue on when Chad is back at 100%? Strange.

Also the fact tat Robin Diaz can learn 20+ songs in a couple of months yet the band can't find the time to pull out a few tracks from the vault to perform is a mockery of what is it to be a band. Sounds like Live's new 'members' are more competent than their counterparts.

[promiseIma Livefan]

Have you forgotten about Michael Railton? He toured from 1999 - 2002 and received writing credits on 2 Live albums (TDTH and V). Would you consider that Live 2.0? In my opinion it wasn't version 2.0 - it's not uncommon for bands to receive outside contributions during the writing or recording process, be it from a producer or another musican.

Don't forget that for The Turn, the band had Jerry Harrison providing substantial input, Bruce Wallace writing some lyrics and Jerry's daughter on backing vocals too.
You would never have heard of CCP if they had remained that way. How many bands without a singer have got a record deal, sold 20 million albums, toured the world, still making music after 30+ years? Yeah, not many.

As I stated I do not care what they call themselves. The question was why do the same people who are ok with this lineup, and others in the past, did not want to consider The Turn a Live album? If the Gracious Few wanted to keep the name Live I would not have cared either. If they decide now to replace Gracy with the mechanical drummer from Chucky Cheese (ye, I’m old) and add Snoop Dog as backup vocals and still call themselves Live, I wouldn’t care. My point was so many people were caught up in the name and not the music. And The Turn was the best “Live” album we had received in a long time.