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post Dec 2 2016, 10:29 am
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I know most of us have seen it and it's been posted before but this is why we're all here


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post Dec 6 2016, 6:34 am
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Yeah, more deets plz.


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QUOTE(Merica @ Dec 6 2016, 7:34 am) *

Yeah, more deets plz.



I apologize. I completely forgot about this thread.

This is in no way a dodge, but there are no links to "prove" what I said about Ed. It is all from accounts of people close to Live AND people close to the folks that more or less found out Ed was full of shit and shunned him.

I will try to make this as crisp and as clean as I can. There will be two sides to this. The people I know close to Live and the people I know close to the folks that figured out Ed was full of it.

First, a VERY close source to CT told me that on one occasion CT said that Ed plagiarized (CT used the word "plagiarized") Krishnamurti. My source said that CT said Ed would read Krishnamurti and would "regurgitate" (CT's words) it for lyrics. I guess some would call that "inspiration". I don't know that I would.

Secondly, while my name is not Chris (if you are following other threads), I am located in Oklahoma. Ken Wilber is also from Oklahoma. If you do not know who that is then hit YouTube and google "Ken Wilber Avante Garde".

I have met Ken several times, but more importantly I have met a half dozen of his closest friends and still talk to them to this day. From their mouths I discovered that, back in the day, Ed would pal around with these "philosophical pioneers" but would never participate. He would just hang out.

Turns out many of the ideas and phrases that a group would come up with would end up in Live songs. And once these groups found out about it they basically shunned him. Told him to get lost.

Here is the kicker. Ed got the boot around the time of V. Now, from what I was told, Ken had a little more grace and that is how Ed ended up on the video with Ken singing Overcome, but somewhere around the V era Ed was told to get lost by these folks.

Connect the dots. V has some of the most shitty lyrics ever but are still trying to grasp the middle eastern Buddhist theme (which Ken talked about in detail). Then suddenly there is a radical shift to BoP Christianity. Then the worthless, bland lyrics of SFBM and his solo work? SFBM and beyond were all void of the deep, thought provoking lyrics. Why do you think that is? Because Ed lost his ability to write? Or maybe because Ed lost his free pass to groups of people who actually thought on a deeper level.

After all, Ed was a young man at the time. He wasn't Gandhi. He was a young kid who didn't know shit about shit.

I will also say this...I am never a fan of "sources", so I get it if my "sources" are met with skepticism...but please also use that same skepticism on the "sources" of the most popular thread on this board about Ed not doing anything wrong according to a "source" close to the band.

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Wambangalang   Story of Live   Dec 2 2016, 10:29 am
figure8   Never seen it. Thank you for sharing.   Dec 2 2016, 11:05 am
FishOutaWater   It is certainly why I am here. I always love re-w...   Dec 2 2016, 1:16 pm
World Dreamer   It is certainly why I am here. I always love re-...   Dec 5 2016, 12:31 am
vivapokey   This video is all well and good but the "spi...   Dec 5 2016, 1:23 am
Bremang   Have you all ignored the fact that Ed was expo...   Dec 5 2016, 2:59 am
Lakini's Juice   Got any examples of the plagiarism? Who shunned ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:24 am
andymbj   Got any examples of the plagiarism? Who shunned ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:53 am
Lakini's Juice   Did the lead singer of Tool slam Ed? I can't ...   Dec 5 2016, 3:38 pm
mfitz804   Did the lead singer of Tool slam Ed? I can't ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:44 pm
mfitz804   I know I have seen it before, but I am watching it...   Dec 2 2016, 1:22 pm
FishOutaWater   Also, Chad T. looked like he was about 16 years ...   Dec 2 2016, 2:04 pm
mfitz804   Regrettably, that happens to the best of us... ...   Dec 5 2016, 1:40 pm
World Dreamer   I know most of us have seen it and it's been ...   Dec 2 2016, 4:58 pm
TonyD   Maybe the band watched this and remembered why the...   Dec 4 2016, 10:16 pm
Bremang   But to say Ed "plagiarized" by copying ...   Dec 6 2016, 1:59 am
Merica   Yeah, more deets plz.   Dec 6 2016, 6:34 am
FishOutaWater   I am not aware of any of those accusations. Yes, ...   Dec 6 2016, 8:45 am
vivapokey   The biggest shame will be how Ed could never sing ...   Dec 6 2016, 9:13 am
TonyD   The biggest shame will be how Ed could never sing...   Dec 6 2016, 9:35 am
vivapokey   Sorry, it's the 16 continuous years of crap fr...   Dec 6 2016, 9:45 am
Gagball   Sorry, it's the 16 continuous years of crap f...   Dec 6 2016, 11:01 am
Merica   I'm keeping an open mind but for me a big lit...   Dec 6 2016, 11:18 am
Wambangalang   Ken Wilbur wrote a pretty flattering paragraph for...   Dec 8 2016, 10:30 pm
Bremang   I think it's flattering that Ed would canonize...   Dec 8 2016, 11:22 pm
World Dreamer   I think it's flattering that Ed would canoniz...   Dec 8 2016, 11:26 pm
World Dreamer   I think it's flattering that Ed would canoniz...   Dec 8 2016, 11:29 pm
Bremang   Consciousness Maya making shapes Shapes that “live...   Dec 8 2016, 11:29 pm
World Dreamer   Consciousness Maya making shapes Shapes that “liv...   Dec 9 2016, 12:12 am
vivapokey   Consciousness is Here and Now and is shining like...   Dec 9 2016, 12:20 am
World Dreamer   Sad Fact: Ed admitted not knowing what he was ta...   Dec 9 2016, 3:02 pm
mattyeagles   From a post made in 2009 on a Live fact thread on...   Dec 28 2016, 9:14 am
Merica   Thanks for elaborating World Dreamer. Genuinely in...   Dec 9 2016, 3:34 pm
swami   I was actually at the filming of this :) This was...   Dec 13 2016, 8:53 pm
dangum   Reading through the comments on the YouTube video,...   Dec 28 2016, 6:22 am
Voodoo Lady   Does anyone have a file of this? It’s no lon...   Feb 15 2023, 5:35 pm
Gagball   Does anyone have a file of this? It’s no longer o...   Feb 16 2023, 11:46 am
717raised   It got removed. Any where else to find this ?   Feb 18 2023, 10:00 am
Roberto   It got removed. Any where else to find this ? N...   Feb 20 2023, 11:18 am
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Voodoo Lady   Yesss! Thank you, Roberto, for uploading to Yo...   Feb 20 2023, 11:29 am
717raised   thanks Roberto for uploading to YouTube again. I c...   Feb 21 2023, 12:26 pm


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