Ed never stole from his bandmates, according to a source close to the band Options

[LiveForNow]

This is the truth. Best Live show I have been to since maybe the V tour.... Not a single disapointed face in the house that night.

You have the best username on here! I hope I'm not the only one who gets the reference.

[SJN1279]

Someone told me that on a Live FB group, CCP's long time business associate just said that it is FACT that Ed NEVER stole from his bandmates. Very nice to be able to finally put all that drama to rest.

Note: This thread was not created by SJN1279. It was split from the NYE Party At Think Loud Entertainment thread.
-dangum

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[vivapokey]

Someone told me that on a Live FB group, CCP's long time business associate just said that it is FACT that Ed NEVER stole from his bandmates. Very nice to be able to finally put all that drama to rest.

I saw that. Which means it must be fact that he was also lying for years about how bad Ed was as he continued to trash him. But I don't buy it. This is Live trying to whitewash the past. Fingers in their ears "la la la nothing bad happened everything is good" sometimes it's easier to just ignore the truth than talk about it.
I mean you believe Bill now when the narrative suits what you want? He was a company man and a mouthpiece and all that when he was sprouting anti-Ed sentiments, even on this board. The only proof you really need about Ed is how ridiculously guilty he was in that Face Culture video.

[Bremang]

I saw that. Which means it must be fact that he was also lying for years about how bad Ed was as he continued to trash him. But I don't buy it. This is Live trying to whitewash the past. Fingers in their ears "la la la nothing bad happened everything is good" sometimes it's easier to just ignore the truth than talk about it.
I mean you believe Bill now when the narrative suits what you want? He was a company man and a mouthpiece and all that when he was sprouting anti-Ed sentiments, even on this board. The only proof you really need about Ed is how ridiculously guilty he was in that Face Culture video.

Chad never accused ed of theft. Greed, infringement, breach of contract were the main $ accusations

[vivapokey]

Chad never accused ed of theft. Greed, infringement, breach of contract were the main $ accusations

Haha oh we are playing the "technically..." game now. There was the whole black coffee deal. But even if he didn't (he heavily implied it if nothing else), Bill certainly said so:

[Bremang]

Haha oh we are playing the "technically..." game now. There was the whole black coffee deal. But even if he didn't (he heavily implied it if nothing else), Bill certainly said so:

CCP wanted at least 2.6 million bucks even though Ed supposedly only owed 225 thousand, plus whatever little money from recordings sold on Ed's website. That and because they believed Levin and Ed were no longer acting in CCP's interest.

Seems like a huge stretch asking for that much money, 225k vs 2.6 mil. Also, Kind of petty to have Ed give up $ for those crap recordings that probably made barely any profit.

In response, Ed and Levin claimed that CCP were fully aware of every contract agreement involved with Ed, including the previous million dollar advance, and that CCP fully knew that they were not entitled to any of that advance, but that Ed gave them money anyway.

So based on all this, I have no idea whether Ed stole technically or by your definition of theft. Completely conflicting arguments and I don't trust CCP or Ed. Who knows what Bill is even privy to with regards to Live.

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[vivapokey]

CCP wanted at least 2.6 million bucks even though Ed supposedly only owed 225 thousand, plus whatever little money from recordings sold on Ed's website. That and because they believed Levin and Ed were no longer acting in CCP's interest.

Seems like a huge stretch asking for that much money, 225k vs 2.6 mil. Also, Kind of petty to have Ed give up $ for those crap recordings that probably made barely any profit.

In response, Ed and Levin claimed that CCP were fully aware of every contract agreement involved with Ed, including the previous million dollar advance, and that CCP fully knew that they were not entitled to any of that advance, but that Ed gave them money anyway.

So based on all this, I have no idea whether Ed stole technically or by your definition of theft. Completely conflicting arguments and I don't trust CCP or Ed. Who knows what Bill is even privy to with regards to Live.

It's all very murky, and now I suspect it is intentionally so - if it's all messy then it's easier to just wipe it all clean, call it even, say no one was really wrong and get on with the business of making money together. Bill has a vested interest in everything being smooth and playing happy families. He's biased from the start so you can only take what he says with a grain of salt because of course he's going to spin it. But it's insane to think he and CCP spent so long ripping on Ed publicly and privately and then just "oops we were wrong, all good lol". I mean, you're either dealing with utter incompetence and stupidity or it's lying about things now which is dodgy as fuck when it's the band of love and spirit and we love our fans etc etc. I mean who knows what definition of "stole nothing" really means. CCP got more in the settlement than Ed actually stole/acquired unlawfully and thus we'll just say he never stole in the first place? Maybe.

Either way, it's definitely damaged integrity of the band in both sides to me now. Couldn't trust Ed as far as you could throw him and now CCP too. People can crow on about how close to the band they are but that is meaningly when you're either too incompetent for anyone to believe you or you just lie anyways.

[Bremang]

But it's insane to think he and CCP spent so long ripping on Ed publicly and privately and then just "oops we were wrong, all good lol". I mean, you're either dealing with utter incompetence and stupidity.

If you think it's possible that Bill was just blindly siding with CCP just like all the other CCP fans during the breakup, then you're basically describing everyone who went to WD as utterly incompetent and stupid for ripping on Ed without seeing the proof.

[The Thrill]

If you think it's possible that Bill was just blindly siding with CCP just like all the other CCP fans during the breakup, then you're basically describing everyone who went to WD as utterly incompetent and stupid for ripping on Ed without seeing the proof.

Who cares. It doesn't matter. It's in the past.
As a good friend of mine once said "don't try to find the answer when there ain't no question here"

[vivapokey]

Who cares. It doesn't matter. It's in the past.
As a good friend of mine once said "don't try to find the answer when there ain't no question here"

You have no clue what your talking about.

So when Ed had Rialo on keyboard and his brother join on guitar what the fuck was he doing???

was he drowning out his voice? Ed forgot lyrics regularly. Go take a look at the lightning crashes video for woodstock. The most successful song he ever wrote. HE FUCKED it up. Shit happens.
I've been to the last LIVE show with Ed at Westbury NY, I've been to Ed's solo show at the casino and I've been to the last two LIVE shows.

The performances and energy of the last two shows blow away the Last one with Ed and his solo show.
However, you wouldn't know because your judging something you haven't seen.
News flash. He isn't suppose to sound like Ed and when you hear the new album it will blow away that bullshit that Ed just posted on his page.
He sure is the proof that people can change. "hey, I use to be a good dude that loved my friends. Now I'm a douche with shitty ass music, I'm the proof you can become an asshole".
That sums up those lyrics and that shitty ass song.

Ok, I havent been on here in a long time because I was busy enjoying the great music of The Gracious Few.

However, now that they are taking a little break and doing some LIVE stuff, I figured I would pop my head in.
Man, some of the crap I have read.

Chad Taylor, Chad Gracey & Patrick Dahlheimer are all class acts! Everything they have said is 100% truthful.
They didnt immediately go and file a lawsuit. They tried to speak with Ed, many times and Ed hid. After getting no answers from him on what was found, the only way to get them is in court. Look at any interview with Ed when he is asked about the allegations and he squirms like a little bitch! He was so thrown off in a few interviews you could tell and see it in his face.
Where they just suppose to let someone screw them over like that and do nothing?
What would you or anyone have done. In any business there has to be accounability. He didnt want to answer for his actions or make them right. So now he will have no choice.

I mean, I can see why you want to leave it in the past now that you gotta eat all your words and this dude you painted as the devil is now back in and you gotta smooth everything over in order to make more money, but man..

This post has been edited by vivapokey: Dec 8 2016, 3:22 am