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post Dec 2 2016, 10:29 am
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I know most of us have seen it and it's been posted before but this is why we're all here


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post Dec 6 2016, 9:45 am
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Sorry, it's the 16 continuous years of crap from Ed which has left me unable to anticipate anything positive from him. It's a shame when people want quality over complacency huh?


As for lyrics, personally I never thought Ed was an amazing lyricist. Even in the old days, best he did was pull out some great lines here or there, stolen or not. His real strength came in the delivery of the lyrics. It wasn't that he sang those words, it's the way he did. On paper they never really did much for me, even back in the day. But again I point to something like the Rhode Island bootleg. Holy shit did he make you believe he believed in what he was singing. Now days and for a long time, there is absolutely zero conviction in his voice. So singing those old words are hollow and empty, especially after all the devious crap he pulled.

Honestly, with this thread being called the story of Live...if that story ends for me with The Turn, I'm very happy. But if, IF, they manage an amazing album with Ed again then I'll admit that would be the biggest twist ending to a story Hollywood could only dream of writing. It would be a Fitzcaraldo level of Herculean effort.


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QUOTE(vivapokey @ Dec 6 2016, 9:45 am) *

Sorry, it's the 16 continuous years of crap from Ed which has left me unable to anticipate anything positive from him. It's a shame when people want quality over complacency huh?
As for lyrics, personally I never thought Ed was an amazing lyricist. Even in the old days, best he did was pull out some great lines here or there, stolen or not. His real strength came in the delivery of the lyrics. It wasn't that he sang those words, it's the way he did. On paper they never really did much for me, even back in the day. But again I point to something like the Rhode Island bootleg. Holy shit did he make you believe he believed in what he was singing. Now days and for a long time, there is absolutely zero conviction in his voice. So singing those old words are hollow and empty, especially after all the devious crap he pulled.

Honestly, with this thread being called the story of Live...if that story ends for me with The Turn, I'm very happy. But if, IF, they manage an amazing album with Ed again then I'll admit that would be the biggest twist ending to a story Hollywood could only dream of writing. It would be a Fitzcaraldo level of Herculean effort.


I'm keeping an open mind but for me a big litmus test for whether this new venture has anything at all for me is what Ed does with the lyrics of Operation Spirit going forward. Does he sing them as originally written or does he put continue to put his "born-again" spin on it by changing "means nothing at all to me today" to "means a hell of a lot to me today." FFS that sucked...for me it absolutely gutted that song and flew in the face of what the band meant to me in the early years. I heard that change a few times but don't know if it's something he continued in his solo career (or even if he kept playing it much at all).

That said, I hope they're all happy and do whatever what makes them happy, fans be damned. Whatever happens with the music, it makes me very happy they they seem to have reconciled.


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Wambangalang   Story of Live   Dec 2 2016, 10:29 am
figure8   Never seen it. Thank you for sharing.   Dec 2 2016, 11:05 am
FishOutaWater   It is certainly why I am here. I always love re-w...   Dec 2 2016, 1:16 pm
World Dreamer   It is certainly why I am here. I always love re-...   Dec 5 2016, 12:31 am
vivapokey   This video is all well and good but the "spi...   Dec 5 2016, 1:23 am
Bremang   Have you all ignored the fact that Ed was expo...   Dec 5 2016, 2:59 am
Lakini's Juice   Got any examples of the plagiarism? Who shunned ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:24 am
andymbj   Got any examples of the plagiarism? Who shunned ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:53 am
Lakini's Juice   Did the lead singer of Tool slam Ed? I can't ...   Dec 5 2016, 3:38 pm
mfitz804   Did the lead singer of Tool slam Ed? I can't ...   Dec 5 2016, 4:44 pm
mfitz804   I know I have seen it before, but I am watching it...   Dec 2 2016, 1:22 pm
FishOutaWater   Also, Chad T. looked like he was about 16 years ...   Dec 2 2016, 2:04 pm
mfitz804   Regrettably, that happens to the best of us... ...   Dec 5 2016, 1:40 pm
World Dreamer   I know most of us have seen it and it's been ...   Dec 2 2016, 4:58 pm
TonyD   Maybe the band watched this and remembered why the...   Dec 4 2016, 10:16 pm
Bremang   But to say Ed "plagiarized" by copying ...   Dec 6 2016, 1:59 am
Merica   Yeah, more deets plz.   Dec 6 2016, 6:34 am
World Dreamer   Yeah, more deets plz. I apologize. I completel...   Dec 8 2016, 9:44 pm
FishOutaWater   I am not aware of any of those accusations. Yes, ...   Dec 6 2016, 8:45 am
vivapokey   The biggest shame will be how Ed could never sing ...   Dec 6 2016, 9:13 am
TonyD   The biggest shame will be how Ed could never sing...   Dec 6 2016, 9:35 am
Merica   I'm keeping an open mind but for me a big lit...   Dec 6 2016, 11:18 am
Wambangalang   Ken Wilbur wrote a pretty flattering paragraph for...   Dec 8 2016, 10:30 pm
Bremang   I think it's flattering that Ed would canonize...   Dec 8 2016, 11:22 pm
World Dreamer   I think it's flattering that Ed would canoniz...   Dec 8 2016, 11:26 pm
World Dreamer   I think it's flattering that Ed would canoniz...   Dec 8 2016, 11:29 pm
Bremang   Consciousness Maya making shapes Shapes that “live...   Dec 8 2016, 11:29 pm
World Dreamer   Consciousness Maya making shapes Shapes that “liv...   Dec 9 2016, 12:12 am
vivapokey   Consciousness is Here and Now and is shining like...   Dec 9 2016, 12:20 am
World Dreamer   Sad Fact: Ed admitted not knowing what he was ta...   Dec 9 2016, 3:02 pm
mattyeagles   From a post made in 2009 on a Live fact thread on...   Dec 28 2016, 9:14 am
Merica   Thanks for elaborating World Dreamer. Genuinely in...   Dec 9 2016, 3:34 pm
swami   I was actually at the filming of this :) This was...   Dec 13 2016, 8:53 pm
dangum   Reading through the comments on the YouTube video,...   Dec 28 2016, 6:22 am
Voodoo Lady   Does anyone have a file of this? It’s no lon...   Feb 15 2023, 5:35 pm
Gagball   Does anyone have a file of this? It’s no longer o...   Feb 16 2023, 11:46 am
717raised   It got removed. Any where else to find this ?   Feb 18 2023, 10:00 am
Roberto   It got removed. Any where else to find this ? N...   Feb 20 2023, 11:18 am
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Voodoo Lady   Yesss! Thank you, Roberto, for uploading to Yo...   Feb 20 2023, 11:29 am
717raised   thanks Roberto for uploading to YouTube again. I c...   Feb 21 2023, 12:26 pm


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