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Now that the Chris Shinn chapter of Live has closed, what are your takeaways?


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post Nov 18 2016, 10:47 am
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I was once in a band with a singer who only wanted to sing the songs he wrote, despite the fact that some of our other band members wrote as well. His reasoning was exactly that, his performance was better on his own songs because they were personal to him.


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QUOTE(mfitz804 @ Nov 18 2016, 11:47 am) *

I was once in a band with a singer who only wanted to sing the songs he wrote, despite the fact that some of our other band members wrote as well. His reasoning was exactly that, his performance was better on his own songs because they were personal to him.



This is a very interesting statement and is what I base my defense of Shinn messing up lyrics on.

First, yes he needed to eventually get the lyrics down. I get that. But he never lived those songs.

I'd also like to know how much they rehearsed. How often did they go through those songs? Between families, living across the country from each other, and business ventures do you think they were in the studio rehearsing? I would guess not or at least not nearly enough.

Yes, Shinn could have put Throwing Copper on his iPhone and probably should have. But if Shinn forgetting lyrics is a main reason for Live dropping him then I would suggest CCP look in the mirror. I saw more tweets about racecars than I did music.

Shinn never messed up songs off The Turn though. Ed messed up Live songs all the time.



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QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Nov 19 2016, 3:47 am) *

Yes, Shinn could have put Throwing Copper on his iPhone and probably should have. But if Shinn forgetting lyrics is a main reason for Live dropping him then I would suggest CCP look in the mirror. I saw more tweets about racecars than I did music.


Yeah this is more along the lines of things. It was just ... such a weird strategy. Like "hey if we put our branding on a car, and then promote the car, then we get money now?" Maybe try promoting the actual band rather than the car with a band sticker on it. They handled The Turn so poorly.


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LiveForNow   Chris Shinn in Retrospect   Nov 16 2016, 11:22 pm
Voodoo Lady   I am appreciative that he made CCP happy for a whi...   Nov 16 2016, 11:37 pm
figure8   Would be good for Live to say something official a...   Nov 17 2016, 6:51 am
gerrycan70   http://i.imgur.com/42SzC6c.png Link to full size i...   Nov 17 2016, 9:04 am
vivapokey   Chris is the second best singer Live has had: 1. ...   Nov 17 2016, 9:06 am
Merica   Chris is the second best singer Live has had: 1....   Nov 17 2016, 10:40 am
vivapokey   You must spread some reputation around before giv...   Nov 17 2016, 11:00 am
Unsheathed   I like the dude. I respect him for carrying the to...   Nov 17 2016, 1:27 pm
throwing_cheetahs   .   Nov 17 2016, 5:08 pm
figure8   Chris is the second best singer Live has had: 1....   Nov 17 2016, 9:28 am
mfitz804   He had funny hair. And we has a guy that was bald ...   Nov 17 2016, 12:52 pm
baggieneil   Vivapokey exactly how i felt.spot on I met Chris a...   Nov 17 2016, 1:44 pm
alexou   The Turn is still a solid rock album. Thanks Chris...   Nov 17 2016, 2:36 pm
meltdown5   I love all these takeaways about Chris's time ...   Nov 17 2016, 3:31 pm
mfitz804   I love all these takeaways about Chris's time...   Nov 17 2016, 3:59 pm
meltdown5   I went to see an Ed show and couldn't really ...   Nov 17 2016, 6:08 pm
mfitz804   No - I agree. That's a reason I didn't go...   Nov 17 2016, 6:53 pm
vivapokey   but you gotta move forward and this is exactly wh...   Nov 18 2016, 4:23 am
meltdown5   Does it look bright? Or does it look bleak? I say...   Nov 18 2016, 2:43 pm
World Dreamer   Shinn was put in a tough spot. People who never he...   Nov 18 2016, 12:53 am
Fool_By_The_River   Siren's Call is a top 5 Live song. Sorry, [b]n...   Nov 18 2016, 3:57 am
World Dreamer   It is very debatable, musical taste is based on p...   Nov 18 2016, 9:02 am
World Dreamer   Take note of who is negative towards Shinn or d...   Nov 18 2016, 3:40 pm
Bremang   Shinn definitely performed his own songs better th...   Nov 18 2016, 3:02 am
Voodoo Lady   Shinn definitely performed his own songs better t...   Nov 18 2016, 10:06 am
figure8   Does it look bright? Or does it look bleak? I say...   Nov 18 2016, 4:52 am
vivapokey   You know what Amigo, it is what it is. Think posi...   Nov 18 2016, 7:12 am
figure8   Like I've said, what is there to be positive ...   Nov 18 2016, 7:48 am
vivapokey   Ed's up was for 7 years, his down was for 16 y...   Nov 18 2016, 7:54 am
throwing_cheetahs   I'd love a follow up to Everything is Energy I...   Nov 18 2016, 8:02 am
vivapokey   I've said before, i like the EIE and Unified ...   Nov 18 2016, 8:08 am
throwing_cheetahs   Like Siren's Call, By Design, 6310, He could ...   Nov 18 2016, 8:13 am
vivapokey   By Design is good, best song off The Turn. Agre...   Nov 18 2016, 8:19 am
vivapokey   Man I am going to miss this https://youtu.be/U5G0...   Nov 18 2016, 8:28 am
World Dreamer   Guys...you don't seem to understand/remember. ...   Nov 18 2016, 9:01 am
throwing_cheetahs   I wonder if Shinn wanted out of Live to go do his ...   Nov 18 2016, 9:06 am
vivapokey   I wonder if Shinn wanted out of Live to go do his...   Nov 18 2016, 9:11 am
Merica   I saw more tweets about racecars than I did music....   Nov 18 2016, 12:53 pm
Bremang   Ed messed up Live songs all the time. nope ...   Nov 18 2016, 1:59 pm
vivapokey   I also think Chris intentionally changed some lyri...   Nov 18 2016, 11:55 am
mfitz804   I also think Chris intentionally changed some lyr...   Nov 18 2016, 1:15 pm
vivapokey   If that made it more personal for him, he's g...   Nov 18 2016, 1:58 pm
Bremang   If that made it more personal for him, he's...   Nov 18 2016, 2:14 pm
mfitz804   Double post.   Nov 18 2016, 1:20 pm
Bremang   I also think Chris intentionally changed some lyr...   Nov 18 2016, 2:11 pm
vivapokey   Yeah, you might be right. Chris may have intentio...   Nov 18 2016, 2:39 pm
Tips   Chris Shinn was a great singer and I love most of ...   Nov 18 2016, 12:42 pm
Fool_By_The_River   Chris Shinn to me was like the "rebound...   Nov 18 2016, 3:52 pm
World Dreamer   Chris Shinn to me was like the "rebound...   Nov 18 2016, 5:09 pm
vivapokey   Here is a better *analogy. A great basketball pla...   Nov 18 2016, 6:05 pm
World Dreamer   I'm positive I used this exact analogy on WD....   Nov 18 2016, 6:16 pm
throwing_cheetahs   i have a question for all of the WD.com crew that ...   Nov 19 2016, 8:37 pm
World Dreamer   i have a question for all of the WD.com crew that...   Nov 20 2016, 12:11 am
throwing_cheetahs   The truth is WD.com was an anti-Ed board, i mean, ...   Nov 20 2016, 12:57 am
World Dreamer   The truth is WD.com was an anti-Ed board, i mean,...   Nov 20 2016, 1:22 am
Merica   Yeah, people think WD was all just talking shit ab...   Nov 20 2016, 3:31 am
vivapokey   WD.come wasn't anti-Ed. Whilst most of its mos...   Nov 20 2016, 7:00 am
Hoodstock   WD.come wasn't anti-Ed. Lol. Private messag...   Nov 21 2016, 9:06 pm
QuietRiverRage1   I think Shinn was the right singer for a time wher...   Nov 21 2016, 10:33 am
Bremang   ITT denial   Nov 21 2016, 11:11 pm
Badman   In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I am appreciative o...   Nov 22 2016, 12:23 am
Bremang   aside from TWAIT I can't be bothered with The ...   Nov 22 2016, 2:02 am
odoyle   the turn was a necessary time in the LIVE timeline...   Nov 22 2016, 10:04 am
World Dreamer   Bump.   Dec 12 2016, 11:13 am
Merica   Chris helped drop The Turn, a fucking great album ...   Dec 12 2016, 11:17 am
LiveForNow   So I wanted to wait until the reunion was in full ...   Jul 2 2019, 12:07 pm
SecretInsomnia   So I wanted to wait until the reunion was in full...   Jul 2 2019, 12:58 pm
LiveForNow   Great post. Very well and honest writing right th...   Jul 2 2019, 1:30 pm
Merica   I think CCP made better music with TGF and CCCP th...   Jul 4 2019, 6:22 am
LiveForNow   I'll also add that I met Chris after a Summerl...   Jul 2 2019, 1:40 pm
LanceManion   I was thinking about The Turn earlier today. I st...   Jul 2 2019, 8:19 pm
+Ed+   This is a nice one.   Jul 2 2019, 11:26 pm


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