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Who would you rather have as the present singer for +Live+ (2016-?)
Well, what's your choice?
Ed Kowalczyk [ 87 ] ** [84.47%]
Chris Shinn [ 15 ] ** [14.56%]
Neither, would rather a new TGF album [ 1 ] ** [0.97%]
Other (Explain) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
+Live+ is finished, they just buried the hatchet with Ed for closure [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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post Oct 28 2016, 3:38 pm
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I chose Ed of course.


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post Nov 2 2016, 4:55 pm
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My preferred singer is Ed.

I loved The Gracious Few. I loved seeing Chris Shinn in concert with CCP, but I wasn't really a huge fan of The Turn. There was just something missing for me and I haven't really listened to it since it first came out. I am not a fan of Ed's solo work and I'm not a fan of Chris Shinn's solo work. But there is just something about the unique tone in Ed's voice that is so special, and I have always been a sucker for Ed's voice. And I don't think that he has gone downhill. I hate when he tries to change the songs and do vocal runs like a reality show contestant, but when he sticks to the plan and sings with passion, I am a fan.

As my first post here in many years, I would like to pick up where I left off, by saying that what I personally think made Live great was the collaboration of all four members of Live. Even accepting that Ed wrote the lyrics and the main framework of the music and brought them to the studio, Live would not have been Live without Gracey's distinctive and identifiable drums and the great contribution of Patrick's bass and Chad's perfectly-crafted and skillfully-placed guitar riffs and accents. The creative contributions of all 4 band members to what made Live great were interdependent with each other. When I listen to demos and the Churchbox sessions I can hear how the songs evolved and developed into a final piece that really moves you. And I believe that the evolution of those songs from Ed's singer songwriter framework to the studio recordings on the albums and amazing stage performances for two decades came from a creative process and contribution of all 4 members of the band. I don't think that Ed guided the hands of Chad, Chad and Patrick with each drum beat and pick of the guitar, and withoutALL of that, none of them would have been as successful as they were and none of us would probably be here talking about them.

It seems clear to me that after Ed took over creative control from beginning to end, Live produced a different product. Most people like the later catalog less than the first four albums and the decline of success is a quantitative measure of that. At the end, I was highly critical of Ed's lyrics and song writing when he became less metaphorical and poetic, and started relying more on explicit similes, more overtly Christian lyrics, more dependent on water symbolism and less philosophical. I longed for his writing to return to the genius of Mental Jewelry and Throwing Copper.

I am very optimistic that Ed, Chad, Chad and Patrick can work together the way they used to and crank up those creative juices again to create some new music that sounds better than anything they've produced together, individually or with others since 1999. There are plenty of examples out there right now of seasoned rockers still bringing it with great new music and I have no reason to believe that Live can't do that too. I believe (without knowing any facts) that we will hear new music and see some shows in the next 12 to 18 months, and I remain cautiously optimistic that we can hear some new Live music that pleases everyone, no matter if you are an Ed solo fan, a TGF fan, a Chris Shinn fan or whatever.

As for whether this is a money grab? I don't think so. These guys are artists. You can see that in all of their activities over the years. Chas Taylor and Ed have been the most visible, and you can see that they care about the music and they want to create and perform. And they are lifelong friends who have struggled together, risen to the peak of fame, and experienced a ride together that few can even imagine. They have a bond of friendship and shared experience. I don't find it hard to believe that they could have found common ground, forgiveness and reconciliation. Particularly when, if any of us have been listening to their music, transcending differences and finding peace has been what Live is all about.

I know I might get criticized for making a long post, but I want to say one last thing. Whether you like Chris Shinn in Live or not, I think Chris deserves some serious appreciation for handling himself with class, dignity and respect for Live. I am not aware of him ever saying anything that disrespected Ed or Live's past. he could have said and one a lot of things that fanned the flames of Ed verses no-Ed, and that was a difficult path to walk and those were huge shoes to fill. He performed the songs from the early catalog with reverence and passion. He was humble, energetic, and he himself seemed like a fan. I met him on many occasions and there could be a more gracious guy. If Live moves on with Ed, Chris was a spark that kept the Live flame alive. I don't think that anyone could have done it better.


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throwing_cheetahs   Who is your preferred singer for +Live+?   Oct 28 2016, 3:38 pm
vivapokey   Chris, hands down. But I realise on this board tha...   Oct 29 2016, 12:14 am
Fool_By_The_River   Although the return to TGF would be great. Which I...   Oct 29 2016, 2:42 am
vivapokey   I hope not, i would like this all to be a permane...   Oct 29 2016, 4:33 am
Tips   There should be one other option: "Ed if he...   Oct 29 2016, 11:53 am
TonyD   Live isn't Live without Ed. I don't get h...   Oct 29 2016, 12:53 pm
Voodoo Lady   Live isn't Live without Ed. I don't get ...   Oct 29 2016, 1:00 pm
vivapokey   It's mind-boggling to me also. The only way I...   Oct 29 2016, 9:52 pm
Voodoo Lady   On the other hand, he was far better than Ed has ...   Oct 29 2016, 10:27 pm
vivapokey   No, no he wasn't. I'm sure I could go i...   Oct 30 2016, 3:46 am
SJN1279   . But it far from made Chris bad, just different....   Oct 30 2016, 8:38 am
Voodoo Lady   No you couldn't, and yes he was :) Yeah he w...   Oct 30 2016, 10:53 am
vivapokey   First off, I think you would argue with a fence ...   Oct 30 2016, 1:06 pm
Bremang   On the other hand, he was far better than Ed has ...   Oct 29 2016, 11:13 pm
vivapokey   Very few would put the turn over tdth TDTH mayb...   Oct 30 2016, 3:48 am
mfitz804   TDTH maybe, but in terms of the era in general - ...   Oct 30 2016, 9:31 am
ThrowgnCpr   Very few would put the turn over tdth I would   Oct 30 2016, 7:04 am
Voodoo Lady   Very few would put the turn over tdth When I fi...   Oct 30 2016, 11:49 am
Voodoo Lady   I'd like to add something I just thought about...   Oct 29 2016, 1:32 pm
MightyHet   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore.   Oct 29 2016, 2:15 pm
TonyD   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore. ...   Oct 29 2016, 2:41 pm
throwing_cheetahs   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore. ...   Oct 29 2016, 6:22 pm
mfitz804   How so, "The Turn" was not even out in ...   Oct 29 2016, 7:26 pm
throwing_cheetahs   And, the most current news (and ONLY current news...   Oct 29 2016, 7:30 pm
alexou   I think Ed's voice/attitude started to change ...   Oct 30 2016, 8:26 am
SJN1279   I think Ed's voice/attitude started to change...   Oct 30 2016, 8:31 am
Voodoo Lady   Once again vivapokey, you have over-analyzed. I ha...   Oct 30 2016, 1:32 pm
vivapokey   Once again vivapokey, you have over-analyzed. I h...   Oct 30 2016, 1:36 pm
throwing_cheetahs   Ed's voice was good on "V", great on...   Oct 30 2016, 1:47 pm
vivapokey   Ed's voice was good on "V", great o...   Oct 30 2016, 1:52 pm
throwing_cheetahs   I know you are a huge fan of Shinn Pokester, but i...   Oct 30 2016, 2:04 pm
vivapokey   I know you are a huge fan of Shinn Pokester, but ...   Oct 30 2016, 2:11 pm
throwing_cheetahs   So? Doesn't affect me. Plenty of people can s...   Oct 30 2016, 2:15 pm
throwing_cheetahs   Chris has 25% of the vote, which isn't 90% to...   Oct 30 2016, 4:17 pm
vivapokey   I said ALL +Live+ FANS, not just the very few who...   Oct 30 2016, 11:13 pm
throwing_cheetahs   And then where do you draw the line on "fans...   Oct 31 2016, 12:31 am
vivapokey   *sorry about the almost Pokey-Sized post y'al...   Oct 31 2016, 4:39 am
odoyle   There is no set criteria to being a fan. A fan d...   Oct 31 2016, 8:35 am
throwing_cheetahs   Why are you coming down on this pokey poster becau...   Oct 31 2016, 3:27 pm
Wambangalang   Because it's boring and kinda patronizing and...   Oct 31 2016, 10:31 pm
throwing_cheetahs   you put the guy on ignore not because you have an...   Oct 31 2016, 10:41 pm
Wambangalang   I don't hate him, he has a right to post and ...   Nov 1 2016, 8:13 am
Wambangalang   There is no set criteria to being a fan. A fan d...   Oct 31 2016, 8:41 am
throwing_cheetahs   A fan, or fanatic, sometimes also called aficionad...   Oct 31 2016, 3:13 pm
Wambangalang   I kinda form my own definition on things by using...   Oct 31 2016, 10:28 pm
throwing_cheetahs   yeh that's what I said, lol When i said real...   Oct 31 2016, 10:45 pm
Hoodstock   Are people who only know the songs on Awake fans,...   Oct 31 2016, 4:48 am
mfitz804   True fans know Awake is a "greatest hits...   Oct 31 2016, 8:36 am
vivapokey   Sadly the truth   Oct 30 2016, 2:30 pm
alexou   Shinn was capable of gaining fans when he was on. ...   Oct 30 2016, 4:50 pm
Bremang   Live fans sure do have varying opinions of the mus...   Oct 30 2016, 5:21 pm
Hoodstock   Alive was better than The Turn.   Oct 30 2016, 6:47 pm
Fool_By_The_River   Alive was better than The Turn. Alive is a solid...   Oct 30 2016, 7:34 pm
mfitz804   Alive was better than The Turn. I agree with th...   Oct 30 2016, 8:11 pm
vivapokey   Alive was better than The Turn. Ok no need to t...   Oct 30 2016, 11:05 pm
Shared Belief   But no really this is why there is always going ...   Oct 31 2016, 9:48 am
vivapokey   i think the unrest is also due to the long standi...   Oct 31 2016, 10:35 am
Bremang   aw man, I can barely listen to alive. The Turn was...   Oct 30 2016, 8:40 pm
SJN1279   The Garden EP I enjoy a lot.   Oct 30 2016, 8:54 pm
Fool_By_The_River   The Garden EP I enjoy a lot. Ed's voice is g...   Oct 30 2016, 8:55 pm
Shared Belief   side note - i agree shinn should have gotten bette...   Oct 31 2016, 10:56 am
vivapokey   side note - i agree shinn should have gotten bett...   Oct 31 2016, 11:12 am
alexou   His version of POD as I've mentioned before, ...   Oct 31 2016, 11:27 am
Voodoo Lady   VivaPokey--When and where was the show you speak o...   Oct 31 2016, 12:25 pm
vivapokey   VivaPokey--When and where was the show you speak ...   Oct 31 2016, 12:34 pm
Voodoo Lady   It was the Atlantic City TC anniversary show. The...   Oct 31 2016, 1:50 pm
vivapokey   There you go being defensive and arguing again. I...   Nov 1 2016, 12:22 am
Shared Belief   the first 4 songs on the turn are a a very strong ...   Oct 31 2016, 1:13 pm
vivapokey   That's hilarious that rather than taking a sec...   Nov 1 2016, 12:32 am
Bremang   brevity is the soul of wit -William Shakespeare (...   Nov 1 2016, 2:19 am
vivapokey   Quoted as part of one of Shakespeare's lengthi...   Nov 1 2016, 3:08 am
figure8   I personally think that Chris did have some balls ...   Nov 1 2016, 3:22 am
figure8   Forgot to mention, even thought I was not fond of ...   Nov 1 2016, 3:24 am
Bremang   Forgot to mention, even thought I was not fond of...   Nov 1 2016, 1:05 pm
Bremang   True. Even though i think tfg might put out better...   Nov 1 2016, 1:03 pm
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