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Who would you rather have as the present singer for +Live+ (2016-?)
Well, what's your choice?
Ed Kowalczyk [ 87 ] ** [84.47%]
Chris Shinn [ 15 ] ** [14.56%]
Neither, would rather a new TGF album [ 1 ] ** [0.97%]
Other (Explain) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
+Live+ is finished, they just buried the hatchet with Ed for closure [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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post Oct 28 2016, 3:38 pm
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I chose Ed of course.


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post Oct 30 2016, 2:04 pm
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I know you are a huge fan of Shinn Pokester, but i would say among all fans of +Live+ it's 90% at least in favor of Ed over Shinn.


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post Oct 30 2016, 2:11 pm
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QUOTE(throwing_cheetahs @ Oct 31 2016, 6:04 am) *

I know you are a huge fan of Shinn Pokester, but i would say among all fans of +Live+ it's 90% at least in favor of Ed over Shinn.


So? Doesn't affect me. Plenty of people can still be wrong about things. Just look at what charts in popular music these days tongue.gif

And I mean yes, it's the minority. Hell it was always going to be the minority. But I refuse to believe that makes Shinn bad. I also refuse to believe that is why The Turn failed (CCP can thank themselves for that, although it was never going to take the world by storm). And even so, with as a small a sample as we have here, Chris has 25% of the vote, which isn't 90% to Ed. And even if it was, I really don't care. I'm happy that Chris helped me have an amazing few years again with Live and am sad to see it come to an end. And am sad to see him not get the recognition he deserves due to a lot of bias. But, I guess that's the way it is. Often people can't see quality when it smacks them in the face. Again, look at the quality of entertainment, be it music, TV, movies etc that people gobble up.

Moving forward I'm not going to be judging Ed's performance against Chris, (that wouldn't be fair to Ed tongue.gif) as it's pointless really. It'll be just judging Ed (and CCP's) performance on its own volition. Which I suspect will be bad but we'll see. This is really only being brought up here I think because the question is directly asking for comparisons between the two.

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QUOTE(vivapokey @ Oct 30 2016, 3:11 pm) *

Chris has 25% of the vote, which isn't 90% to Ed.

I said ALL +Live+ FANS, not just the very few who post here.


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QUOTE(throwing_cheetahs @ Oct 31 2016, 8:17 am) *

I said ALL +Live+ FANS, not just the very few who post here.


Yes, and I said using the snapshot we had here as a very rough sample. And then where do you draw the line on "fans". Are people who only know the songs on Awake fans, or do you count casual fans who likely weren't even aware Chris wasn't the original guy (as some people at the show I went to were shocked to find out). In the end, it's sort of pointless quantifying it with numbers. How many people pick one but don't really care? Either way, we know the end result. Live subbed out Chris for Ed. For better or worse. spoiler: its worse tongue.gif

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QUOTE(vivapokey @ Oct 31 2016, 12:13 am) *

Are people who only know the songs on Awake fans, or do you count casual fans who likely weren't even aware Chris wasn't the original guy (as some people at the show I went to were shocked to find out).

True fans know Awake is a "greatest hits" album with a poorly chosen track list.


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throwing_cheetahs   Who is your preferred singer for +Live+?   Oct 28 2016, 3:38 pm
vivapokey   Chris, hands down. But I realise on this board tha...   Oct 29 2016, 12:14 am
Fool_By_The_River   Although the return to TGF would be great. Which I...   Oct 29 2016, 2:42 am
vivapokey   I hope not, i would like this all to be a permane...   Oct 29 2016, 4:33 am
Tips   There should be one other option: "Ed if he...   Oct 29 2016, 11:53 am
TonyD   Live isn't Live without Ed. I don't get h...   Oct 29 2016, 12:53 pm
Voodoo Lady   Live isn't Live without Ed. I don't get ...   Oct 29 2016, 1:00 pm
vivapokey   It's mind-boggling to me also. The only way I...   Oct 29 2016, 9:52 pm
Voodoo Lady   On the other hand, he was far better than Ed has ...   Oct 29 2016, 10:27 pm
vivapokey   No, no he wasn't. I'm sure I could go i...   Oct 30 2016, 3:46 am
SJN1279   . But it far from made Chris bad, just different....   Oct 30 2016, 8:38 am
Voodoo Lady   No you couldn't, and yes he was :) Yeah he w...   Oct 30 2016, 10:53 am
vivapokey   First off, I think you would argue with a fence ...   Oct 30 2016, 1:06 pm
Bremang   On the other hand, he was far better than Ed has ...   Oct 29 2016, 11:13 pm
vivapokey   Very few would put the turn over tdth TDTH mayb...   Oct 30 2016, 3:48 am
mfitz804   TDTH maybe, but in terms of the era in general - ...   Oct 30 2016, 9:31 am
ThrowgnCpr   Very few would put the turn over tdth I would   Oct 30 2016, 7:04 am
Voodoo Lady   Very few would put the turn over tdth When I fi...   Oct 30 2016, 11:49 am
Voodoo Lady   I'd like to add something I just thought about...   Oct 29 2016, 1:32 pm
MightyHet   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore.   Oct 29 2016, 2:15 pm
TonyD   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore. ...   Oct 29 2016, 2:41 pm
throwing_cheetahs   What a stupid poll. This isn't 2012 anymore. ...   Oct 29 2016, 6:22 pm
mfitz804   How so, "The Turn" was not even out in ...   Oct 29 2016, 7:26 pm
throwing_cheetahs   And, the most current news (and ONLY current news...   Oct 29 2016, 7:30 pm
alexou   I think Ed's voice/attitude started to change ...   Oct 30 2016, 8:26 am
SJN1279   I think Ed's voice/attitude started to change...   Oct 30 2016, 8:31 am
Voodoo Lady   Once again vivapokey, you have over-analyzed. I ha...   Oct 30 2016, 1:32 pm
vivapokey   Once again vivapokey, you have over-analyzed. I h...   Oct 30 2016, 1:36 pm
throwing_cheetahs   Ed's voice was good on "V", great on...   Oct 30 2016, 1:47 pm
vivapokey   Ed's voice was good on "V", great o...   Oct 30 2016, 1:52 pm
throwing_cheetahs   So? Doesn't affect me. Plenty of people can s...   Oct 30 2016, 2:15 pm
throwing_cheetahs   And then where do you draw the line on "fans...   Oct 31 2016, 12:31 am
vivapokey   *sorry about the almost Pokey-Sized post y'al...   Oct 31 2016, 4:39 am
odoyle   There is no set criteria to being a fan. A fan d...   Oct 31 2016, 8:35 am
throwing_cheetahs   Why are you coming down on this pokey poster becau...   Oct 31 2016, 3:27 pm
Wambangalang   Because it's boring and kinda patronizing and...   Oct 31 2016, 10:31 pm
throwing_cheetahs   you put the guy on ignore not because you have an...   Oct 31 2016, 10:41 pm
Wambangalang   I don't hate him, he has a right to post and ...   Nov 1 2016, 8:13 am
Wambangalang   There is no set criteria to being a fan. A fan d...   Oct 31 2016, 8:41 am
throwing_cheetahs   A fan, or fanatic, sometimes also called aficionad...   Oct 31 2016, 3:13 pm
Wambangalang   I kinda form my own definition on things by using...   Oct 31 2016, 10:28 pm
throwing_cheetahs   yeh that's what I said, lol When i said real...   Oct 31 2016, 10:45 pm
mfitz804   True fans know Awake is a "greatest hits...   Oct 31 2016, 8:36 am
vivapokey   Sadly the truth   Oct 30 2016, 2:30 pm
alexou   Shinn was capable of gaining fans when he was on. ...   Oct 30 2016, 4:50 pm
Bremang   Live fans sure do have varying opinions of the mus...   Oct 30 2016, 5:21 pm
Hoodstock   Alive was better than The Turn.   Oct 30 2016, 6:47 pm
Fool_By_The_River   Alive was better than The Turn. Alive is a solid...   Oct 30 2016, 7:34 pm
mfitz804   Alive was better than The Turn. I agree with th...   Oct 30 2016, 8:11 pm
vivapokey   Alive was better than The Turn. Ok no need to t...   Oct 30 2016, 11:05 pm
Shared Belief   But no really this is why there is always going ...   Oct 31 2016, 9:48 am
vivapokey   i think the unrest is also due to the long standi...   Oct 31 2016, 10:35 am
Bremang   aw man, I can barely listen to alive. The Turn was...   Oct 30 2016, 8:40 pm
SJN1279   The Garden EP I enjoy a lot.   Oct 30 2016, 8:54 pm
Fool_By_The_River   The Garden EP I enjoy a lot. Ed's voice is g...   Oct 30 2016, 8:55 pm
Shared Belief   side note - i agree shinn should have gotten bette...   Oct 31 2016, 10:56 am
vivapokey   side note - i agree shinn should have gotten bett...   Oct 31 2016, 11:12 am
alexou   His version of POD as I've mentioned before, ...   Oct 31 2016, 11:27 am
Voodoo Lady   VivaPokey--When and where was the show you speak o...   Oct 31 2016, 12:25 pm
vivapokey   VivaPokey--When and where was the show you speak ...   Oct 31 2016, 12:34 pm
Voodoo Lady   It was the Atlantic City TC anniversary show. The...   Oct 31 2016, 1:50 pm
vivapokey   There you go being defensive and arguing again. I...   Nov 1 2016, 12:22 am
Shared Belief   the first 4 songs on the turn are a a very strong ...   Oct 31 2016, 1:13 pm
vivapokey   That's hilarious that rather than taking a sec...   Nov 1 2016, 12:32 am
Bremang   brevity is the soul of wit -William Shakespeare (...   Nov 1 2016, 2:19 am
vivapokey   Quoted as part of one of Shakespeare's lengthi...   Nov 1 2016, 3:08 am
figure8   I personally think that Chris did have some balls ...   Nov 1 2016, 3:22 am
figure8   Forgot to mention, even thought I was not fond of ...   Nov 1 2016, 3:24 am
Bremang   Forgot to mention, even thought I was not fond of...   Nov 1 2016, 1:05 pm
Bremang   True. Even though i think tfg might put out better...   Nov 1 2016, 1:03 pm
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