Ed Kowalczyk = Douche bag and you can't deny it..... Options

[SctSamadhi]

From Facebook....

Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K) and just to go on record to clear up any confusion - every single lyric, lyrical melody and 90% of the music of "Live" was written by me. The others had next to zero involvement in the creative output of the band. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and knows it. Peace


Wow talk about an egotistical asshole, this guy takes the taco. Continue your worship of this this piece of garbage....

[Bremang]

have any of you ever written a song or been in a band? If one songwriter brings the songs to the band, and the rest of the band learns the songs and bring their style to the mix, and the songwriter gives the rest of the band 50% credit, that's pure generosity from the singer/songwriter.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 8 2013, 1:33 am

[Wherefishesgo88]

have any of you ever written a song or been in a band? If one songwriter brings the songs to the band, and the rest of the band learns the songs and bring their style to the mix, and the songwriter gives the rest of the band 50% credit, that's pure generosity from the singer/songwriter.

Yes I'm in a band. I write every single song for my band as well. But I give myself 50% of writing and my band get the rest because they write bass and drums parts and we all share melodies for vocals. Are drummer writes the lyrics. So ed saying 90% and his Solo songs sucking. He did not write 90% of old live

[SctSamadhi]

[quo te name='Bremang' date='ep8 2013, 2:31 am' post='120771']
have any of you ever written a song or been in a band? If one songwriter brings the songs to the band, and the rest of the band learns the songs and bring their style to the mix, and the songwriter gives the rest of the band 50% credit, that's pure generosity from the singer/songwriter.
Yes I'm in a band. I write every single song for my band as well. But I give myself 50% of writing and my band get the rest because they write bass and drums parts and we all share melodies for vocals. Are drummer writes the lyrics. So ed saying 90% and his Solo songs sucking. He did not write 90% of old live

Awwww Nick that is so sweet, Ed does love you


Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K.) Nick, you were witness to all of it and I thank you for everything you have done to help me as well. They used the legal system to persecute me for absolutely nothing for almost 4 years. Not to mention the countless derogatory things that were said about me online and otherwise for even longer. I still feel that the high road is the best road but you're right, the BS is behind me (until they sue me again for God knows what) and it's time to set some of the record straight. There were and are currently many outright lies that are being presented to the fans, not the least of which is the totally counterfeit and falsely advertised version of "Live" they are promoting. I will clear up confusion when I can, and in my chosen time and place. Thanks again and enjoy the new music and tour!!!

[Bremang]

Awwww Nick that is so sweet, Ed does love you


Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K.) Nick, you were witness to all of it and I thank you for everything you have done to help me as well. They used the legal system to persecute me for absolutely nothing for almost 4 years. Not to mention the countless derogatory things that were said about me online and otherwise for even longer. I still feel that the high road is the best road but you're right, the BS is behind me (until they sue me again for God knows what) and it's time to set some of the record straight. There were and are currently many outright lies that are being presented to the fans, not the least of which is the totally counterfeit and falsely advertised version of "Live" they are promoting. I will clear up confusion when I can, and in my chosen time and place. Thanks again and enjoy the new music and tour!!!

If he wants to actually pinpoint some of these lies that would be nice. As far as Live being counterfeit and falsely advertised....I can see why Ed would be frustrated because it does seem like CCP are trying to recreate Ed with Chris's voice, re-recording the classics, and almost trying to give Shinn the same image as Ed, but CCP should be able to do it and Ed shouldn't call it fake. It's just a new lead singer.

[PurdueSteve]

If he wants to actually pinpoint some of these lies that would be nice. As far as Live being counterfeit and falsely advertised....I can see why Ed would be frustrated because it does seem like CCP are trying to recreate Ed with Chris's voice, re-recording the classics, and almost trying to give Shinn the same image as Ed, but CCP should be able to do it and Ed shouldn't call it fake. It's just a new lead singer.

Agreed, I really don't get Ed (or Nick) complaining about Live. Ed left the band. Why complain or comment about the band being counterfeit or whatever when you walk away from it. Makes zero sense. It just goes to show that he believes that Live was him, and him exclusively.

I don't think they are giving Shinn the same image. Not even close. Shinn is himself. When he starts twerking it with his shirt off to Lakini's Juice, I'll be happy to eat crow.

[Bremang]

Agreed, I really don't get Ed (or Nick) complaining about Live. Ed left the band. Why complain or comment about the band being counterfeit or whatever when you walk away from it. Makes zero sense. It just goes to show that he believes that Live was him, and him exclusively.

I don't think they are giving Shinn the same image. Not even close. Shinn is himself. When he starts twerking it with his shirt off to Lakini's Juice, I'll be happy to eat crow.

You didn't agree actually. I said I understood why Ed would be frustrated. How did Ed "walk away?" He was fired. As for Nick and anyone who doesn't like Live's current state, their frustration is pretty obvious as well. Everyone has their own personal desires for the band, and Nick's ideal is that he wanted/wants the original band together, doing BOP style music, and Ed getting most of the credit.

As far as Shinn's image, I'm meant specifically the famous 90's Ed image. He trying to sing like TC Ed. When the lights go down at a shower and he's covered in powder, it gets harder to tell the difference for someone who isn't sure. I was at a show and none of the new generation of concert goers didn't even know it wasn't Ed. Shinn said it himself in my Tempe review, "we don't want to make people think."

I think it's fine if Ed wants to make an official statement about the allegations, but I think he should call the new band what it is, Live with a new lead singer, even if there is a certain suspension of disbelief required for fans to be immersed in Chris managing songs that come from Ed's unique inspiration. And its pure hypocrisy for anyone who praised Chad when he made claims in one side of the story, if they are calling Ed a douche for putting out the other side of the story.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 9 2013, 8:02 am

[PurdueSteve]

You didn't agree very much actually. I said I understood why Ed would be frustrated. As for Nick and anyone who doesn't like Live's current state, their frustration is pretty obvious as well. Everyone has their own personal desires for the band, and Nick's ideal is that he wanted/wants the original band together, doing BOP style music, and Ed getting most of the credit.

As far as Shinn's image, I'm meant specifically the famous 90's Ed image. I was at a show and the new generation of concert goers didn't even know it wasn't Ed. Shinn said it himself in my Tempe review, "we don't want to make people think." I think it's fine if Ed wants to make an official statement about the allegations, but I think he should call the new band what it is, Live with a new lead singer, even if there is a certain suspension of disbelief required for people to be immersed in Chris managing songs that come from Ed's unique inspiration.

I misread one of your words.. "can" , "can't".

Don't agree that Chris is in Ed's image. The new generation of concert goers wouldn't be able to pick Ed out of a line-up, so their inability to know that it's a new singer is irrelevant. The fans know and the casuals wouldn't. The casuals are just that, they casually might know a few lyrics but they aren't going to be so familiar as to pick out a concert live voice and discern it from a 20 year old studio recording. For fuck's sake, Ed doesn't even sound like the recording.

Image wise, Chris doesn't look like Ed. Has hair, totally different stage demeanor. Dresses differently.

Ed has no right in any way to critique Live. He walked away. It's obvious he expected Live to just fade away with him leaving. It's funny to hear him say "counterfeit", when he continues to play Live tracks and the studio musicians up on stage with him can't do the songs the same justice CCP can. It was a split and both sides are going to continue to use what made them famous and both are going to dislike that the other is still doing it. To be fair, I find Ed more of the hypocrite because he walked away and claimed to want to move on from Live. CCP are just trying to continue on, they didn't walk away and have never stated to want to move on from Live.

Gotta leave the "re-recording" thing alone. Nick has bought it up a bunch. It's a non-issue unless they release the recording to the public or for sale. They put them up for streaming for people to hear. We ripped them into MP3s. It's not like they rerecorded and re-released Throwing Copper.

[Bremang]

To be fair, I find Ed more of the hypocrite because he walked away and claimed to want to move on from Live. CCP are just trying to continue on, they didn't walk away and have never stated to want to move on from Live.

I guess the image thing isn't really an issue, I think maybe you're right that Ed didn't want Live to exist without him. He might just dislike other people playing his songs. But again, you gotta clarify the whole walking away thing. He was fired by CCP, otherwise there's no indication that the original lineup would have disbanded. Seems there would have most likely been another Live record with Ed.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 10 2013, 2:48 am

[PurdueSteve]

I guess the image thing isn't really an issue, I think maybe you're right that Ed didn't want Live to exist without him. He might just dislike other people playing his songs. But again, you gotta clarify the whole walking away thing. He was fired by CCP, otherwise there's no indication that the original lineup would have disbanded. Seems there would have most likely been another Live record with Ed.

It's been stated over and over that Ed walked away. That the band reached out at the end of the hiatus and Ed refused. At some point they had to technically fire him so they could move forward, but it was Ed that walked away. Ed at the time was claiming that he needed to explore a different path that he wanted something different from Live (all the while playing nothing but Live songs in shows). It was pretty well discussed, not sure how you missed.

[Bremang]

It's been stated over and over that Ed walked away. That the band reached out at the end of the hiatus and Ed refused. At some point they had to technically fire him so they could move forward, but it was Ed that walked away. Ed at the time was claiming that he needed to explore a different path that he wanted something different from Live (all the while playing nothing but Live songs in shows). It was pretty well discussed, not sure how you missed.

I do enjoy talking about the breakup.

I believe you're claiming Ed is hypocritical for calling new Live counterfeit because you suggest he walked away from Live/CCP. How does that make him a hypocrite? (Did he really walk away? If so, would his walking away even be the pivotal moment in the bands split?)

I don't see hypocrisy in his statement because Ed merely asserts that he believes he was essential to Live, and a new lineup is not the real deal. I don't agree with him that Live should be considered counterfeit, but I don't see how the statement is hypocritical.

All I know is that your reasoning is rooted in the idea that Ed abandoned the others, and they had to let him go to move on. I think Ed's departure is actually an interesting scenario that is not cut and dry.

There's no doubt that Ed was terminated by CCP. When it comes to legalities and being in the band, there's no evidence that Ed made any affirmative indication that he would resign from Live, or that he had any intention of leaving the band for good.

As far as him "walking away" prior to being terminated, there's a lot of grey area there. You seem to have your facts wrong about which time in the hiatus CCP may have tried to reach Ed. The guys were toward the start of their vacation when CCP suddenly tried to raise Ed for questioning. The hiatus was announced in mid 2009 and was projected to be for "two years." Ed was completely processed and fired about 4-5 months into the hiatus. So it wasn't at the end of the planned hiatus, like you suggest.

As far as Ed being unresponsive to CCP reaching out to him, we have Chad's blog posts that delve very little into any details. While Live was on a break, and therefore didn't necessarily have any business with each other at the time, presumably Chad tried to reach Ed regarding a contractual dispute. Who knows what sort of communication that was. For all we know, CCP could have been furious at him and for whatever reason, Ed was not inclined to respond. It seems even if Ed did respond, the guys probably would have fired him and sued him if they thought he was stealing. Suggesting that Ed "walked away" seems to be a mute point if he was going to be fired anyway. We don't even know the outcome of CCP's claims to know whether CCP had a legal right to any money.

Of course, there's very few details where we could pinpoint how these guys separated over the course of the 2000's. It seems that over time Ed and CCP were not approving of each other's music and/or work ethic, and CCP say that Ed gave them an ultimatum in 2005 and articulated that he wanted complete control. Who knows the details of that. CCP apparently decided to let Ed win control (ironically there's definitely some hypocrisy in that.) While all that seems to be relevant to the events that lead to Ed possibly ignoring CCP, I don't see how that makes Ed hypocritical for saying he thinks that Live's current line-up isn't the real deal, when he believes that he is Live. Maybe you can explain the hypocrisy.



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[zmanpga]

I do enjoy talking about the breakup.

I believe you're claiming Ed is hypocritical for calling new Live counterfeit because you suggest he walked away from Live/CCP. How does that make him a hypocrite? (Did he really walk away? If so, would his walking away even be the pivotal moment in the bands split?)

I don't see hypocrisy in his statement because Ed merely asserts that he believes he was essential to Live, and a new lineup is not the real deal. I don't agree with him that Live should be considered counterfeit, but I don't see how the statement is hypocritical.

All I know is that your reasoning is rooted in the idea that Ed abandoned the others, and they had to let him go to move on. I think Ed's departure is actually an interesting scenario that is not cut and dry.

There's no doubt that Ed was terminated by CCP. When it comes to legalities and being in the band, there's no evidence that Ed made any affirmative indication that he would resign from Live, or that he had any intention of leaving the band for good.

As far as him "walking away" prior to being terminated, there's a lot of grey area there. You seem to have your facts wrong about which time in the hiatus CCP may have tried to reach Ed. The guys were toward the start of their vacation when CCP suddenly tried to raise Ed for questioning. The hiatus was announced in mid 2009 and was projected to be for "two years." Ed was completely processed and fired about 4-5 months into the hiatus. So it wasn't at the end of the planned hiatus, like you suggest.

As far as Ed being unresponsive to CCP reaching out to him, we have Chad's blog posts that delve very little into any details. While Live was on a break, and therefore didn't necessarily have any business with each other at the time, presumably Chad tried to reach Ed regarding a contractual dispute. Who knows what sort of communication that was. For all we know, CCP could have been furious at him and for whatever reason, Ed was not inclined to respond. It seems even if Ed did respond, the guys probably would have fired him and sued him if they thought he was stealing. Suggesting that Ed "walked away" seems to be a mute point if he was going to be fired anyway. We don't even know the outcome of CCP's claims to know whether CCP had a legal right to any money.

Of course, there's very few details where we could pinpoint how these guys separated over the course of the 2000's. It seems that over time Ed and CCP were not approving of each other's music and/or work ethic, and CCP say that Ed gave them an ultimatum in 2005 and articulated that he wanted complete control. Who knows the details of that. CCP apparently decided to let Ed win control (ironically there's definitely some hypocrisy in that.) While all that seems to be relevant to the events that lead to Ed possibly ignoring CCP, I don't see how that makes Ed hypocritical for saying he thinks that Live's current line-up isn't the real deal, when he believes that he is Live. Maybe you can explain the hypocrisy.

umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do some better research

[Bremang]

umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do some better research

you should be more specific about which facts need to be corrected cause typically I get nothing but a vague and emotional response from you

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 11 2013, 5:34 pm