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post Sep 7 2013, 8:11 pm
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From Facebook....

Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K) and just to go on record to clear up any confusion - every single lyric, lyrical melody and 90% of the music of "Live" was written by me. The others had next to zero involvement in the creative output of the band. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and knows it. Peace


Wow talk about an egotistical asshole, this guy takes the taco. Continue your worship of this this piece of garbage....


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post Sep 10 2013, 2:09 pm
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Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full retard with the information after the separation and it's a miracle he kept it to himself as long as he did. It's like the jealous ex spreading immature rumours after a bad breakup. As far as Ed's actions are concerned, i wasn't there, so i can't really shed any light on that, no-one but only the 4 individuals that were Live can.

That said, i was really disappointed when Chad G ranted on private chat about this and later with Chad T in the media. It's unprofessional. People jumping on the CCP-bandwagon aren't different either. All you can do when you hear a story like that is take it in and realise there are two sides to the story, instead of bashing the person who was the reason Live existed in the first place.

Don't think "Live" will get the spark back they once had if they carry on the way they are doing now. Had more respect for them when they did Gracious Few, but carrying on under the Live-flag with a different singer, performing lyrics written by their "ex-traitor-leadsinger" seems hypocritical.



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QUOTE(Lakini's Juice @ Sep 10 2013, 3:09 pm) *

Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full retard with the information after the separation and it's a miracle he kept it to himself as long as he did. It's like the jealous ex spreading immature rumours after a bad breakup. As far as Ed's actions are concerned, i wasn't there, so i can't really shed any light on that, no-one but only the 4 individuals that were Live can.

That said, i was really disappointed when Chad G ranted on private chat about this and later with Chad T in the media. It's unprofessional. People jumping on the CCP-bandwagon aren't different either. All you can do when you hear a story like that is take it in and realise there are two sides to the story, instead of bashing the person who was the reason Live existed in the first place.

Don't think "Live" will get the spark back they once had if they carry on the way they are doing now. Had more respect for them when they did Gracious Few, but carrying on under the Live-flag with a different singer, performing lyrics written by their "ex-traitor-leadsinger" seems hypocritical.


I think it's a bit disingenious to say "I wasn't there" so we have to assume 50/50. It's true that we probably don't know every little detail but it's also possible to err on the side that makes sense. Not that this hasn't been beaten around before but oh well:

1) CCP started the band
2) Ed came a little later
3) The band was a great success in earlier years, Ed was the principle engineer of the music but there was collaboration
4) Collaboration drifted and CCP have owned up responsibility in part on their end for letting it drift
5) The band success fell, Ed was in more direct control
6) The claims of the "secret contract" occurred and make relevant sense around the rest of what we "know"
7) Ed was writing new material intending for it be a new Live album (Zion was the track)
8) Apparently around the same time CCP (or at least CT) were also wanting to get more involved and were writing material. The main riff for what become "Honest Man" was once a Live song called "Believe" and was played in concert
9) Shortly thereafter the hiatus was announced
10) Lawsuits, mudslinging, ect
11) Hiatus over - Ed publically declared that he didn't want to work with or talk to "those individuals" ever again
12) CCP moved on with Live

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a crystal ball to get the gist of what happened. Hiding behind a "I wasn't there so I don't know" argument isn't really valid applied to the broad scope of everything that we absolutely do know.

For sake of argument, let's assume it was an equal 50/50 blame for the split and demise of the band the devaluation of the Live brand. No one is right and no one is wrong. Why should CCP just give up Live because Ed wanted to pursue a solo career? If you, and others, want to take the ambivalent position, why do you take the position that CCP should have just given up on their life's work, with a forced hand by someone else? Ed was largely responsible for Live's success (and subsequent failure) but despite the tone that some suggest around here, it was not a 1 man show. Ed was not the Dave Grohl of Live. Ed did not write and perform all instruments. Ed may have been largely the most valuable or contributor member of the 4, but it was not him alone. CCP invested their lives into Live. The countless nights and months touring. The ups and downs of being in a successful band, ect. Whose to suggest, including Ed himself, that they are supposed to just walk away and give it up because Ed decided he wanted to go solo?


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SctSamadhi   Ed Kowalczyk = Douche bag and you can't deny it.....   Sep 7 2013, 8:11 pm
Crossed   From Facebook.... Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K) and just t...   Sep 7 2013, 8:43 pm
SctSamadhi   Could you provide a link please, I don't see ...   Sep 7 2013, 8:48 pm
SctSamadhi   7 hours ago he posted under the Holland video H...   Sep 7 2013, 8:48 pm
SJN1279   He posted some other real treats under that video...   Sep 7 2013, 8:53 pm
SctSamadhi   Lawsuit is over, so now he can finally speak his ...   Sep 7 2013, 8:59 pm
SJN1279   Yeah and doing that only proves what we've be...   Sep 7 2013, 9:03 pm
SinfulEyes   And truthful. The truth is he is a huge asshole...   Sep 7 2013, 9:11 pm
dangum   Could you provide a link please, I don't see ...   Sep 7 2013, 10:47 pm
alexou   90%? Really? Hard to be neutral when you hear some...   Sep 7 2013, 9:17 pm
SJN1279   90%? Really? Hard to be neutral when you hear som...   Sep 7 2013, 9:25 pm
Bremang   That is a bold statement that I'm sure gets a ...   Sep 7 2013, 9:35 pm
SinfulEyes   CCP still get 50%+ of Live royalties right? Makes ...   Sep 7 2013, 9:50 pm
SJN1279   CCP still get 50%+ of Live royalties right? Makes...   Sep 7 2013, 9:53 pm
SinfulEyes   Cause they have been the actual thieves all along...   Sep 7 2013, 10:17 pm
Badman   That is a huge dick move. Serious case of lead sin...   Sep 8 2013, 1:22 am
Bremang   have any of you ever written a song or been in a b...   Sep 8 2013, 1:31 am
PurdueSteve   have any of you ever written a song or been in a ...   Sep 8 2013, 10:43 am
SJN1279   Back on subject, the band went from great succes...   Sep 8 2013, 11:30 am
SctSamadhi   Yes he does. He was the chief songwriter all the...   Sep 8 2013, 4:43 pm
Bremang   Have you been in a band? How does a songwriter ...   Sep 8 2013, 1:56 pm
Wherefishesgo88   have any of you ever written a song or been in a ...   Sep 8 2013, 5:20 pm
SctSamadhi   [quo te name='Bremang' date='ep8 20...   Sep 8 2013, 5:31 pm
Bremang   Awwww Nick that is so sweet, Ed does love you ...   Sep 8 2013, 9:40 pm
PurdueSteve   If he wants to actually pinpoint some of these li...   Sep 9 2013, 7:26 am
Bremang   Agreed, I really don't get Ed (or Nick) com...   Sep 9 2013, 7:47 am
PurdueSteve   You didn't agree very much actually. I said I...   Sep 9 2013, 8:00 am
Bremang   To be fair, I find Ed more of the hypocrite beca...   Sep 10 2013, 2:47 am
PurdueSteve   I guess the image thing isn't really an issue...   Sep 10 2013, 6:28 am
Bremang   It's been stated over and over that Ed walk...   Sep 11 2013, 5:49 am
zmanpga   I do enjoy talking about the breakup. I believe...   Sep 11 2013, 3:29 pm
Live4Life   umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do s...   Sep 11 2013, 3:52 pm
Bremang   umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to d...   Sep 11 2013, 5:34 pm
Bremang   [quo te name='Bremang' date='ep8 20...   Sep 8 2013, 9:34 pm
SinfulEyes   Ed can say whatever his douchey brains tells his m...   Sep 8 2013, 1:10 pm
SJN1279   Ed can say whatever his douchey brains tells his ...   Sep 8 2013, 1:23 pm
SinfulEyes   Or CCP's fault for taking advantage of a cont...   Sep 8 2013, 1:47 pm
Bremang   What they did was in their best interest and th...   Sep 8 2013, 2:05 pm
zmanpga   Or CCP's fault for taking advantage of a cont...   Sep 8 2013, 1:54 pm
Bremang   Ed can say whatever his douchey brains tells his ...   Sep 8 2013, 2:04 pm
Crossed   Yeah I think this was a bad move by Ed to make tha...   Sep 8 2013, 5:55 pm
SJN1279   Just got a semi-threatening phone call from a ...   Sep 8 2013, 6:16 pm
Live4Life   Just got a semi-threatening phone call from a ...   Sep 8 2013, 6:29 pm
Bremang   Yeah I think this was a bad move by Ed to make th...   Sep 8 2013, 9:36 pm
Live4Life   Fuck that . He HAS been the bigger man all along. ...   Sep 8 2013, 6:16 pm
Live4Life   Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full re...   Sep 10 2013, 2:42 pm
Live4Life   Ed was not the Dave Grohl of Live I'm sor...   Sep 10 2013, 5:40 pm
Bremang   I think it's a bit disingenious to say ...   Sep 11 2013, 6:32 am
PurdueSteve   Between 9 and 10 Ed was fired. You're sugge...   Sep 11 2013, 11:13 am
Live4Life   Should Ed have the authority or capability to f...   Sep 11 2013, 11:38 am
PurdueSteve   No but at the same time i don't think they s...   Sep 11 2013, 1:52 pm
Live4Life   The rest of your post is irrelevant. The first se...   Sep 11 2013, 1:59 pm
PurdueSteve   No it wasn't contradicting not at all... Why ...   Sep 11 2013, 2:33 pm
PurdueSteve   Edit, they fought so hard to keep the name...for...   Sep 11 2013, 2:35 pm
Live4Life   Ed only walked away because he was threatened with...   Sep 10 2013, 2:36 pm
mfitz804   The relationship was toast, no matter who was righ...   Sep 10 2013, 3:18 pm
mfitz804   Oh and for what its worth, when I used to play in ...   Sep 10 2013, 3:22 pm
Soxwsc   Didn't CT publicly declare that he couldn...   Sep 10 2013, 3:34 pm
Bremang   Didn't CT publicly declare that he couldn...   Sep 11 2013, 6:34 am
SJN1279   That was Ed who said that. But Ed and Chad were b...   Sep 11 2013, 7:45 am
mattyeagles   Chad Taylor said it as well. I am not sure how ...   Sep 11 2013, 8:01 am
PurdueSteve   I am not sure how people can see otherwise that i...   Sep 11 2013, 11:02 am
SinfulEyes   In this day and age it's hard for fans to not ...   Sep 10 2013, 3:36 pm
SinfulEyes   Ed wishes he had 1/10th of the talent Grohl has.   Sep 10 2013, 7:42 pm
Bremang   Ed wishes he had 1/10th of the talent Grohl has. ...   Sep 11 2013, 6:38 am
PurdueSteve   I think Ed was cooler in his prime than Grohl. Gr...   Sep 11 2013, 11:04 am
Live4Life   Nahhh, doubt that. he seems to be doing prety fuck...   Sep 10 2013, 7:54 pm
Bremang   On a side note, and I could be way off, but I feel...   Sep 11 2013, 6:11 am
Lakini's Juice   *sigh* SinfulEyes :facepalm: Bottom line is: Th...   Sep 11 2013, 7:17 am
Live4Life   I am one of the ones that doesn't want to see ...   Sep 11 2013, 9:00 am
Live4Life   :hug: Thanks doll.   Sep 11 2013, 9:51 am
Live4Life   okay , so you don't feel they are using the na...   Sep 11 2013, 2:59 pm
zmanpga   yup bye :wave:   Sep 11 2013, 5:02 pm
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