How much did Ed contribute to Live?, Thread #42 Options

[SJN1279]

Imagine how CCP feel. Above all else they thought Ed was their friend and they gave him the benefit of the doubt for years.

And they let him to the bulk of the work for the band while getting the same pay as well.

Edit: This thread was not created by SJN1279. It was split from: New song riff - A riff by Chad T

This post has been edited by dangum: Apr 13 2013, 8:41 pm

[Jim]

And they let him to the bulk of the work for the band while getting the same pay as well.

How could you possibly know this? Also, how does one define "work" while in a band? Is it who wrote the lyrics? The melody? What about when a band is on tour? They all had to work then, no? Who keeps track of what percent of the work each band member does?

[SJN1279]

How could you possibly know this? Also, how does one define "work" while in a band? Is it who wrote the lyrics? The melody? What about when a band is on tour? They all had to work then, no? Who keeps track of what percent of the work each band member does?

We can all continue to argue in circles, or just be happy that Ed and the new version of Live will be releasing new music and touring in the not too distance future.

Both sides don't have to get along, but the petty fighting is getting old.

[themaestro]

We can all continue to argue in circles, or just be happy that Ed and the new version of Live will be releasing new music and touring in the not too distance future.

Both sides don't have to get along, but the petty fighting is getting old.

Quit making asinine comments like Ed did the bulk of the work then. Each contributed equally to their success until the contributions of the others were rejected by Ed. It's no coincidence that everything changed when that started happening.

Most fans, friends, associates, etc have reconciled that Ed is not the man they thought. You can realize this and still enjoy his music and support him. Some on this very site do that and they get no grief from anyone. It is those that continue to ignore the overwhelming mountain of evidence supporting this. People very close to Ed have come to terms with it. The only ones that haven't are those that are so enamored with him that they just can't accept it.

[Bremang]

Quit making asinine comments like Ed did the bulk of the work then. Each contributed equally to their success until the contributions of the others were rejected by Ed.

How do you quantify that everyone contributed equally to the success?

[themaestro]

How do you quantify that everyone contributed equally to the success?

What do you want, a nice spreadsheet with some pie charts and intricate formulas? There is no way to quantify it other than to experience it. The music that moved everyone so much did so for a reason. This was a brotherhood, a band where each had 100 % freedom to express themselves in every way and an environment of love and support for one another. They set out to conquer the world together and they did a damn fine job. Sorry if you didn't get to experience some of that when it was happening. It was magical and they all contributed equally to that.

[super.fan]

What do you want, a nice spreadsheet with some pie charts and intricate formulas? There is no way to quantify it other than to experience it. The music that moved everyone so much did so for a reason. This was a brotherhood, a band where each had 100 % freedom to express themselves in every way and an environment of love and support for one another. They set out to conquer the world together and they did a damn fine job. Sorry if you didn't get to experience some of that when it was happening. It was magical and they all contributed equally to that.

You can downplay Ed's contributions all you want (by claiming all input was equal). The fact of the entire matter is, when a band becomes famous, it's usually a blend of talented writing, singing, and the ability to perform well live. Also know that most people (if not all) will not fall in love with a band if first and foremost they do not like the lead singer's voice - so the singer is at the forefront of the band and really personifies and solidifies the foundation that fans become attracted to. There have only been a handful of top tier bands that were able to swap lead singers and maintain popularity and continue to be successful using their original band name.

In terms of contributing to the bands success behind the scenes, sure, maybe everything was equal. However, I do firmly believe that Ed has an extraordinary voice that was a flawless match for the style of music that the band played, meaning his contribution to the band overall was huge. Chris Shinn has a large void to fill, and the bar is high. I listened to some of his performances, and one of the most recent performances... I actually kind of liked it. However, when he tries to sing something like Dolphin's Cry, I literally cringe and think he should just stick to only singing songs he and the other guys write while they are together.

Anyways, most of you all are just bitter that the band fell apart, and I was upset as well. Stop treating Ed like he was insignificant though, because he's the biggest reason you love Live, and deep down, you know it.

[Lakini's Juice]

You can downplay Ed's contributions all you want (by claiming all input was equal). The fact of the entire matter is, when a band becomes famous, it's usually a blend of talented writing, singing, and the ability to perform well live. Also know that most people (if not all) will not fall in love with a band if first and foremost they do not like the lead singer's voice - so the singer is at the forefront of the band and really personifies and solidifies the foundation that fans become attracted to. There have only been a handful of top tier bands that were able to swap lead singers and maintain popularity and continue to be successful using their original band name.

In terms of contributing to the bands success behind the scenes, sure, maybe everything was equal. However, I do firmly believe that Ed has an extraordinary voice that was a flawless match for the style of music that the band played, meaning his contribution to the band overall was huge. Chris Shinn has a large void to fill, and the bar is high. I listened to some of his performances, and one of the most recent performances... I actually kind of liked it. However, when he tries to sing something like Dolphin's Cry, I literally cringe and think he should just stick to only singing songs he and the other guys write while they are together.

Anyways, most of you all are just bitter that the band fell apart, and I was upset as well. Stop treating Ed like he was insignificant though, because he's the biggest reason you love Live, and deep down, you know it.

YES! Thank you!

[themaestro]

You can't rate someone's contributions in a band merely by your perception of their public persona or the liner notes in a CD. It's uninformed, shortsighted, and extremely simplistic. The list of artists that singlehandedly carried the load in their bands is very short and does not include Ed Kowalczyk.

[Bremang]

You can't rate someone's contributions in a band merely by your perception of their public persona or the liner notes in a CD. It's uninformed, shortsighted, and extremely simplistic.

good thing super.fan considered way more than just persona. He said that the band was famous largely due to Ed's flawless vocal talent as well.

[themaestro]

good thing super.fan considered way more than just persona. He said that the band was famous largely due to Ed's flawless vocal talent as well.

Persona is the role Ed assumed as frontman for Live. It includes his voice.