How much did Ed contribute to Live?, Thread #42 Options

[themaestro]

Im not big on ed really anymore. he made promises to me that he didn't keep....i don't like that. I tried to help him and give him the benifit of the doubt but i am not happy. I don't mind the ed haters anymore.

Imagine how CCP feel. Above all else they thought Ed was their friend and they gave him the benefit of the doubt for years.

[SJN1279]

Imagine how CCP feel. Above all else they thought Ed was their friend and they gave him the benefit of the doubt for years.

And they let him to the bulk of the work for the band while getting the same pay as well.

Edit: This thread was not created by SJN1279. It was split from: New song riff - A riff by Chad T

This post has been edited by dangum: Apr 13 2013, 8:41 pm

[Bremang]

Can't really blame the decline of Live's music based on Ed taking control cause I don't think CCP could have saved Ed's songwriting - listen to Believe...its more likely based on your opinion of whether Ed simply lost his talent, which you can't really blame someone for, they tend to not control these things getting older.

Can't really blame Ed or CCP for musical differences...to each their own...Ed and CCP didn't raise their voice while they were working together...both are at fault for not working it out. Can't blame either of them for choosing their musical path, they both have fans that prefer things Ed style or CCP style.

it seems feasible to dislike Ed's personality if he cheated the guys out money, which is still up for debate.

[themaestro]

Can't really blame the decline of Live's music based on Ed taking control cause I don't think CCP could have saved Ed's songwriting - listen to Believe...its more likely based on your opinion of whether Ed simply lost his talent, which you can't really blame someone for, they tend to not control these things getting older.

Can't really blame Ed or CCP for musical differences...to each their own...Ed and CCP didn't raise their voice while they were working together...both are at fault for not working it out. Can't blame either of them for choosing their musical path, they both have fans that prefer things Ed style or CCP style.

it seems feasible to dislike Ed's personality if he cheated the guys out money, which is still up for debate.

Not "blaming" Ed just acknowledging that he did in fact shut them out. Then it becomes a question of what influence they had on Ed. If you believe your environment and those around you have any affect on you, especially if you openly interact and experience life with them and through them. I believe it has a profound effect, especially as a young adult shaping one's world views. I believe that Ed had a certain talent that is still there to a good degree. Although I don't prefer his current style he can still sing and compose good music. No doubt he has taken a different path and that is fine. Just saying that is the biggest reason for the difference in his music now, not loss of talent.

[Bremang]

Not "blaming" Ed just acknowledging that he did in fact shut them out.

Sounded to me like you were blaming him here:

Each contributed equally to their success until the contributions of the others were rejected by Ed. It's no coincidence that everything changed when that started happening.

[themaestro]

Sounded to me like you were blaming him here:

Not blame, proof that one is not greater than the whole.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Apr 14 2013, 6:08 am

[themaestro]

Not blame, proof that one is not greater than the whole.

Or more correctly, proof in fact that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts with Live. Looking forward to further confirmation of this with new music and CS at the helm.