The Songwriting of Live Options

[Badman]

Far too harsh Pokey. The songs are all listenable and the garden is excellent. I dont understand the line 'sometimes people change and im the proof' given ed has been preaching about love and the rest since tdth. however the song might be about other things??

In Ed's head, he is talking about how he has changed from rock and roll excess to finding god/family. Many of us here twist it into him singing about how he has changed to become a guy who backstabs his friends CC&P. This is probably the clearest way I can explain it here for someone who is new to the board

[SJN1279]

In Ed's head, he is talking about how he has changed from rock and roll excess to finding god/family. Many of us here twist it into him singing about how he has changed to become a guy who backstabs his friends CC&P. This is probably the clearest way I can explain it here for someone who is new to the board

CCP had no problem taking 75 percent song writing credit and money for songs that Ed basically wrote 100 percent himself. I think that is a pretty crummy thing to do to a friend.

[possum]

CCP had no problem taking 75 percent song writing credit and money for songs that Ed basically wrote 100 percent himself. I think that is a pretty crummy thing to do to a friend.

Right. How dare they each take the 25% that was agreed and in the contract from the very beginning. It's like they were founding members of Live or something... Fucking crummy bastards!

[SJN1279]

Right. How dare they each take the 25% that was agreed and in the contract from the very beginning. It's like they were founding members of Live or something... Fucking crummy bastards!

It is crummy to get paid for something you don't participate in. They let Ed do the majority of the work throughout the band's run, and they took the majority of the compensation.

Then they sue when Ed creates a new contract that entitles him to 100 percent of the songwriting credit(which he deserved).

[possum]

Then they sue when Ed illegally creates a new contract that entitles him to 100 percent of the songwriting credit(which he deserved).

fixed.

[SJN1279]

fixed.

LIVE's contract ended with Awake. Do you feel it was fair for Chad T Chad G and Pat to have 25 percent songwriting royalties on songs that they didn't write?

A new contract where Ed would get all the credit and royalties for the music he created solo seems fair to me.

[themaestro]

A new contract where Ed would get all the credit and royalties for the music he created solo seems fair to me.

Especially when that is negotiated without their knowledge or consent.

[SJN1279]

Especially when that is negotiated without their knowledge or consent.

Do you think it is fair that they got song-writing royalties for songs that they didn't write? And they are suing over SFBM song-writing royalties? Seriously?

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Nov 27 2012, 2:07 pm

[themaestro]

Do you think it is fair that they got song-writing royalties for songs that they didn't write?

Yes, if Ed agreed to it. He enabled them. How do you know what they wrote anyway? We all know Ed tried to mute CT but did he write all the drum and bass parts? Doesn't matter anyway, he agreed to it. Your beef should be with him for "allowing" them song credit if they didn't deserve it in your mind.

[SJN1279]

Yes, if Ed agreed to it. He enabled them.

They signed their contract in 1990/1991. How was Ed supposed to know that Chad G. and Pat would slack on their song-writing responsibilities while taking 50 percent of the check during the next 15 years? Ed clearly was the chief songwriter for the band throughout Live's run, and he only received 25 percent of the compensation.

[themaestro]

They signed their contract in 1990/1991. How was Ed supposed to know that Chad G. and Pat would slack on their song-writing responsibilities while taking 50 percent of the check during the next 15 years? Ed clearly was the chief songwriter for the band throughout Live's run, and he only received 25 percent of the compensation.

That's an interesting take. I suppose you also call plexiglass slacking.

[SJN1279]

That's an interesting take. I suppose you also call plexiglass slacking.

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

[Pokey]

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

God and how do you KNOW that? You don't, we know CG wrote less than anyone, but we do not know the ins and outs of what, where, amounts, time etc.. How do you know CG didn't contribute one little thing in a song writing process which made the whole song some together? I take it you've never written a song in your life, those "ah-ha!" moments can make and break songs, CG could have come up with one idea that allowed a hit song to flourish into what it is. Maybe he didn't, but maybe he did ... the point is you talk as if you were in the room 100% of the time knowing every little thing that went on, when truth is you do not know fucking shit.


None of this explains why if this contract was so above board and legal and fair why Ed had to do it behind everyone's back ... Ed can sing about being strong, rising up and doing nothing wrong all he wants, but he is a coward who is completely gutless - can't give straight answers when pressed in interviews, can't go about his business in the light of day, can't respond to my questioning; since this is the EP thread, lets tie this in - the lyrics on this EP are a total lie, Ed isn't strong, he's a gutless coward. Anyone finding "inspiration" from this man is either completely blind to what he has done and who he is, or their moral compass is severely damaged, which is your case.

[SJN1279]

God and how do you KNOW that? You don't, we know CG wrote less than anyone, but we do not know the ins and outs of what, where, amounts, time etc.. How do you know CG didn't contribute one little thing in a song writing process which made the whole song some together? I take it you've never written a song in your life, those "ah-ha!" moments can make and break songs, CG could have come up with one idea that allowed a hit song to flourish into what it is. Maybe he didn't, but maybe he did ... the point is you talk as if you were in the room 100% of the time knowing every little thing that went on, when truth is you do not know fucking shit.

So you think it is fair that Chad Gracey didn't contribute the same amount, but got the same percentage?

[Pokey]

So you think it is fair that Chad Gracey didn't contribute the same amount, but got the same percentage?

In the place I live, some people might use the electricity or water more than others but we split the bill evenly, no matter what; trying to divvy it up is too messy, causes too many problems and it's better to just split it.

So yeah, i think if you are a band with the formation and friendship that Live is, then it should be 25% each; its not like its bad money, but you're a money hungry greedy wimp like Ed is and you just want your cash, so I guess you don't work that way.

Just face it man, you never were a fan of Live.

[FishOutaWater]

In the place I live, some people might use the electricity or water more than others but we split the bill evenly, no matter what; trying to divvy it up is too messy, causes too many problems and it's better to just split it.

So yeah, i think if you are a band with the formation and friendship that Live is, then it should be 25% each; its not like its bad money, but you're a money hungry greedy wimp like Ed is and you just want your cash, so I guess you don't work that way.

Just face it man, you never were a fan of Live.

I heard Daryl Hall on Howard Stern a few months ago and he was talking about how he and John Oates had some serious disagreements. Hall thought of himself as the driving force behind Hall & Oates and he resented splitting money with Oates. But whenever Daryl Hall goes out on his own and plays alone, he can't get anyone to come see him. The fans only want to see Hall & Oates. Daryl Hall has resigned himself to the fact that for whatever reason, the band Hall & Oates caught on in a way that Daryl Hall alone never could have and never did, and no longer can. So he still performs with John Oates and sells more tickets and makes more money that way.

Now I have no idea whether the contribution of Oates to Hall & Oates was any more or less than the contribution of CCP to Live, but I iwll say that Live would have never been Live without Chad Gracey and without that exact line-up and formula, Ed would never have done more than whatever Adam Kowalczyk is doing for a living right now (with all due respect to Adam).

You can't say that Ed would have reached the same level of success with or without CCP. That's not true. It took four people to make Live and to generate the incomes they generated and without any of them, they would have been playing coffee shops like Ed is now.

So is 25% each fair? ABSOLUTELY. POSITIVELY.

I bet 25% of Live would have been better than 100% of the Ed Kowalczyk empire that Ed is living in now.