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fearisnottheend
post May 28 2006, 4:11 pm
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Hey ya'll! I'm new to the board but i'm not a new fan. I've been hooked since 95. I saw them for the first time in Birmingham, Alabama in 97. I've seen them 9 times total. I used to post on the subculture of dreams message board. I was so excited when i found out about this board.


My least favorite LIVE album is V. I really feel like there are alot of good things about the album mixed in with a few things that just didn't work for me.

If i could change some things about V, i would start with taking out the keyboards and samples. No offense to Railo but i just didn't like it. It worked on TDTH but not on V (in my opinion).

I would completely remove Deep Enough, FMNBLE, and Ok. Just don't care for them at all. Also, Overcome wouldn't be on it either but more on that in a minute.

I would take out all the rap on the album. All the "puppy scruff", "write a song so good it make a midget grow", "bowh bowh everybody in the hotel", all that stuff. Ed is a great songwriter and frontman. He can and has done MUCH better than that.

Overcome would have the whole band on it instead of the piano and orchestra stuff. I heard a clip of LIVE doing this song at a Tibet House function years back. It was "haunting". Totally different sound from what they put out. I would have put it on TDTH. I met Ed a few years back after a show on the TDTH tour. I asked about Overcome and he said they were saving it for the next album. Wish they wouldn't have.

Anyways, I think V has some GREAT guitar riffs. It could have been a really strong album. I listen to it and try to ignore the lyrics.

What do ya'll think?

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post May 28 2006, 8:30 pm
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Yeah, i totally agree that the lyrics on V overall are not completely "rap" but there is too much on there for my taste.

I guess its just the overall message of the lyrics. Songs like Deep Enough and Transmit seem somehow average lyrically to most of live's other songs.

How much time did he put in to the lyric "with LIVE its game 7 every single night" ? There are tons of examples like that on the album.

That being said, its fun to crank the speakers and listen to the riffs on most of the songs.
I absolutely love the part in Transmit where Chad goes off when Ed is singing "Tell your leaders love is in town". Unbelievable.

Thanks for the responses.


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fearisnottheend   what would have made V better?   May 28 2006, 4:11 pm
seriakiLLa   Hi, welcome! I think just the combo of good o...   May 28 2006, 4:23 pm
WaiterAtCliftons   Oh boy thank god Beau hasn't seen this yet. H...   May 28 2006, 4:34 pm
beau99   Oh boy thank god Beau hasn't seen this yet. ...   May 28 2006, 5:27 pm
serene23   Not true at all. I dislike half of the album, to...   May 28 2006, 6:02 pm
mattdm11   as someone earlier said...its a fun album to liste...   May 28 2006, 7:24 pm
Grandpa Grizz   If half of the songs were as good as the other hal...   May 28 2006, 7:27 pm
fearisnottheend   Its cool to be able to discuss LIVE with other peo...   May 28 2006, 7:47 pm
Grandpa Grizz   I will say this, i'd rather listen to LIVE...   May 28 2006, 8:56 pm
beau99   Wasn't trying to rap and doing a collaboratio...   May 28 2006, 9:03 pm
sherocker   Trying to rap? Yeah. Collaborating with Tricky? ...   May 29 2006, 3:46 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   hell yeah! for the record...I LOVE V!...   Jun 2 2006, 1:40 pm
SheRyche   I will say this, i'd rather listen to LIVE...   Jun 2 2006, 2:55 pm
mfitz804   Its probably my least favorite Live album, but I d...   May 28 2006, 8:00 pm
sandkind   i personally love V and at times it is my favorite...   May 28 2006, 8:18 pm
Lively Chick   I absolutely love the part in Transmit where Chad...   May 29 2006, 1:59 am
Senghe   The whistling in Nobody Knows *shudder* was there ...   May 29 2006, 7:40 am
mfitz804   The whistling in Nobody Knows *shudder* was there...   May 29 2006, 8:42 am
Grandpa Grizz   Ed's a whistler. Recall that he whistles in ...   May 29 2006, 11:59 am
Lively Chick   I thought the collaboration with Tricky was great...   May 29 2006, 1:15 pm
StopBanningMe123   "V" would have been somewhat decent if t...   May 29 2006, 1:36 pm
NectarDan   Yeah, I like the whistling too. :whistle:   May 29 2006, 12:10 pm
Lively Chick   :whistling: :whistling:   May 30 2006, 7:52 pm
mahaffey   Does anyone have a version of Overcome with the fu...   May 30 2006, 9:34 pm
NectarDan   Does anyone have a version of Overcome with the f...   May 30 2006, 9:56 pm
fandelive   Here's a live version from back in 1998. The ...   Jun 2 2006, 2:22 pm
NectarDan   Dan, should I have some reason to be really reall...   Jun 2 2006, 2:37 pm
sandkind   I'll leave that up to you to decide for now. ...   Jun 2 2006, 5:38 pm
mahaffey   Thank you. You are truly AWESOME!   May 30 2006, 10:29 pm
seriakiLLa   Hey thanks for that! I haven't heard that...   May 30 2006, 11:05 pm
fearisnottheend   Hey thanks for that! I haven't heard tha...   Jun 1 2006, 11:09 am
NectarDan   Is there a bootleg version of that concert availa...   Jun 1 2006, 12:31 pm
fearisnottheend   I believe it's available at bootlegheaven.com...   Jun 1 2006, 12:37 pm
sandkind   thanks dan. wish they'd still play it this wa...   Jun 1 2006, 6:33 pm
beau99   No they haven't... but yeah, great song :nod:   Jun 2 2006, 1:53 pm
grantrobertstoker   No they haven't... but yeah, great song :nod...   Jun 2 2006, 2:31 pm
beau99   Disagreed. Flow is one of the worst songs on the ...   Jun 2 2006, 4:32 pm
grantrobertstoker   Dan... is this Mets again? This reply certainly l...   Jun 2 2006, 5:25 pm
beau99   V went gold in the U.S.? Yeah it did. No Live al...   Jun 2 2006, 5:47 pm
WaiterAtCliftons   Yeah it did. No Live album has sold as much since...   Jun 2 2006, 5:52 pm
beau99   "V" did NOT go gold. I could've s...   Jun 2 2006, 6:01 pm
grantrobertstoker   "V" did NOT go gold. And its not like...   Jun 2 2006, 7:03 pm
sandkind   actually V came after TDTH. Anyway, back to topic...   Jun 2 2006, 9:00 pm


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