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post Aug 2 2010, 1:14 pm
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You guys do realize that music from "Honest Man" by TGF comes from the song "Believe" by Live.

Just give it a listen:

Honest Man: http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/gracious...-man--218696430

Believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZqT0stibWs

New lyrics - same base song guitar.gif . Ed had his chance with it and then Kevin (or the band) redid the song.

I wish I had a studio version of Believe to directly compare the two vocal performances. I prefer the lyrics of Honest Man but I would have loved to hear this as a Live song.

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To be honest, when I first heard it, with Ed as Believe, I thought it was good - irrespective of the lyrics, cos by then I knew we weren't getting the pre-2000's LIVE back. Especially not since Ed seriously thought SFBM was a return to old-school LIVE. But had the hiatus not come, I'd probably have accepted 'Believe' as a LIVE track.

That isn't to say that I'm not thankful for TGF's 'Honest Man' as I think that has to be one of the better songs CCP have done and it so much better suited to KM in terms of his style of vocal. I think Funky said it back when TGF's album dropped in 2010 that being a drummer, KM has great timing - and for the riffs in Honest Man, that really shows and he doesn't disappoint.


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QUOTE(sh4rpz @ Oct 4 2012, 10:13 pm) *

To be honest, when I first heard it, with Ed as Believe, I thought it was good - irrespective of the lyrics, cos by then I knew we weren't getting the pre-2000's LIVE back. Especially not since Ed seriously thought SFBM was a return to old-school LIVE. But had the hiatus not come, I'd probably have accepted 'Believe' as a LIVE track.

That isn't to say that I'm not thankful for TGF's 'Honest Man' as I think that has to be one of the better songs CCP have done and it so much better suited to KM in terms of his style of vocal. I think Funky said it back when TGF's album dropped in 2010 that being a drummer, KM has great timing - and for the riffs in Honest Man, that really shows and he doesn't disappoint.


That sounds smart so sure, I said it. lol.gif

When I heard Believe I didn't think it sounded like the band was on the same page at all, then Ed twittered that it was one of the first times the band had ever even played the song together. It wsa getting pretty obvious that CCP and Ed were done but this song was when I knew it.


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Hoodstock   Thoughts on "Honest Man" and "Believe"   Aug 2 2010, 1:14 pm
Hoodstock   I actually wonder how "Believe" fits in ...   Aug 2 2010, 1:40 pm
OutToDry   We;ve had this discussion in Feburary Hoody http:...   Aug 2 2010, 1:53 pm
Hoodstock   Ya - that was months ago. Since the video just ca...   Aug 2 2010, 1:59 pm
TheBeacon   You guys do realize that music from "Honest ...   Aug 2 2010, 2:07 pm
OutToDry   You make is sound like it's a new revelation i...   Aug 2 2010, 2:50 pm
Hoodstock   You make is sound like it's a new revelation ...   Aug 3 2010, 7:56 am
SecretInsomnia   It's discussed long time ago yes, but I think ...   Aug 2 2010, 3:06 pm
Hoodstock   It's discussed long time ago yes, but I think...   Aug 3 2010, 7:53 am
Existentialist   Way to go, Hoodie.   Aug 2 2010, 4:03 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   Loved this from the comments for the Believe video...   Aug 2 2010, 4:41 pm
Sonic Tonic   NO WAI!!!   Aug 2 2010, 8:08 pm
+Ed+   It's VAI   Aug 3 2010, 1:36 am
OutToDry   Sorry to bitch at you Hoodie. I agree with your s...   Aug 3 2010, 8:57 am
Pokey   Yeah the fact that CT has said he was sitting on t...   Aug 3 2010, 10:42 am
TheBeacon   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF son...   Aug 3 2010, 10:57 am
sh4rpz   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF so...   Aug 3 2010, 11:33 am
SecretInsomnia   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF so...   Aug 3 2010, 1:39 pm
TheBeacon   * ed had been writing for new Live songs since 20...   Aug 7 2010, 9:30 am
Merica   Yeah, Ed's lyrics sucked for it. It's bett...   Aug 3 2010, 11:06 am
OutToDry   Totally all for the best. THis is got to be what ...   Aug 3 2010, 12:45 pm
Liveman94   I actually really liked 'Believe' and ...   Aug 3 2010, 8:55 pm
swami   I actually see a strong similarity between Honest ...   Aug 3 2010, 9:06 pm
+Ed+   What kind of, swami?   Aug 4 2010, 1:39 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   We never got and official release of "Belive...   Aug 5 2010, 1:53 pm
+Ed+   No   Aug 6 2010, 1:30 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   No Thanks   Aug 6 2010, 6:26 am
+Ed+   You are welcome   Aug 6 2010, 6:43 am
+Ed+   Holy fuck, the melody in this one is so much diffe...   Aug 6 2010, 6:48 am
PurdueSteve   I'm glad you made the thread Hoodie. I never r...   Aug 6 2010, 3:05 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I'd really like to hear Ed on the track singi...   Aug 6 2010, 3:43 pm
Pokey   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 4:31 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Agreed. I understand people not liking Kevin...   Aug 7 2010, 5:27 pm
PurdueSteve   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 9:06 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I don't think it's outside of his range, ...   Aug 7 2010, 5:26 pm
PurdueSteve   Find me a song where Ed hits a note as high as wh...   Aug 9 2010, 6:55 am
Aitkens   ? The only part where it's high-pitched, and...   Aug 9 2010, 6:59 am
thefunkyredcaboose   ? The only part where it's high-pitched, and...   Aug 9 2010, 7:28 am
Hoodstock   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 9:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Ed's lyrics have been shit for years. Kevin ...   Aug 7 2010, 10:00 pm
Aitkens   There is no way that Ed could manage the vocals on...   Aug 7 2010, 9:22 am
Pokey   Ed singing Honest Man wouldnt sonically sound righ...   Aug 9 2010, 7:28 am
OutToDry   :D :D :D @ Pokey   Aug 9 2010, 9:40 am
OutToDry   for the upcoming LiveFan blog, the lyrical debate...   Oct 3 2012, 9:16 pm
Aitkens   I'll say this as simple as possible. Honest...   Oct 3 2012, 9:18 pm
OutToDry   well the real reason lyrics aside is the musical f...   Oct 3 2012, 9:23 pm
jayda   Seeing the lyrics of Believe written out - gag.   Oct 3 2012, 9:54 pm
+Ed+   I can not say that Believe lyrics are soulless. I ...   Oct 4 2012, 2:37 am
Pokey   Made some changes to the Believe lyrics to be a bi...   Oct 4 2012, 4:28 am
alexou   this looks rushed and obviously without inspiratio...   Oct 4 2012, 9:36 am
mfitz804   Believe sounds forced. It sounds like a band wrote...   Oct 4 2012, 2:30 pm
FishOutaWater   Thanks for the assist on my next blog: Why go fro...   Oct 4 2012, 2:37 pm
OutToDry   no go right ahead, i wanted to give heads up to yo...   Oct 4 2012, 3:04 pm
+Ed+   Well, Purifier had some wicked music as well, but ...   Oct 5 2012, 1:45 am
SJN1279   Well, Purifier had some wicked music as well, but...   Oct 5 2012, 5:54 am
Hobbsy   Both songs were weak in my opinion. Of course t...   Oct 5 2012, 7:05 am
Aitkens   Both songs were weak in my opinion. Let me gue...   Oct 5 2012, 7:37 am
sh4rpz   Just remembered something I noticed long ago (and ...   Oct 6 2012, 5:44 am


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