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post Aug 2 2010, 1:14 pm
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You guys do realize that music from "Honest Man" by TGF comes from the song "Believe" by Live.

Just give it a listen:

Honest Man: http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/gracious...-man--218696430

Believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZqT0stibWs

New lyrics - same base song guitar.gif . Ed had his chance with it and then Kevin (or the band) redid the song.

I wish I had a studio version of Believe to directly compare the two vocal performances. I prefer the lyrics of Honest Man but I would have loved to hear this as a Live song.

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Believe sounds forced. It sounds like a band wrote music the singer didn't especially like, and the singer wrote lyrics that the band didn't especially like. The lyrics and music do not mesh together at all.

Honest Man, well, its the opposite.


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Thanks for the assist on my next blog: Why go from an Ed "Believer" to an "Honest Man"? The dichotomy between these two songs will be made stark and this unique example of one song made into two different songs - pre-lead singer departure and post-lead singer departure - is great evidence that Live will make great music and can succeed without Ed. In fact, in the end, Ed held CCP and Live back artistically.

I guess I have already given away the point of the blog. But stay tuned. I will make the case for all of those Ed "Believers" to change their mind.


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Hoodstock   Thoughts on "Honest Man" and "Believe"   Aug 2 2010, 1:14 pm
Hoodstock   I actually wonder how "Believe" fits in ...   Aug 2 2010, 1:40 pm
OutToDry   We;ve had this discussion in Feburary Hoody http:...   Aug 2 2010, 1:53 pm
Hoodstock   Ya - that was months ago. Since the video just ca...   Aug 2 2010, 1:59 pm
TheBeacon   You guys do realize that music from "Honest ...   Aug 2 2010, 2:07 pm
OutToDry   You make is sound like it's a new revelation i...   Aug 2 2010, 2:50 pm
Hoodstock   You make is sound like it's a new revelation ...   Aug 3 2010, 7:56 am
SecretInsomnia   It's discussed long time ago yes, but I think ...   Aug 2 2010, 3:06 pm
Hoodstock   It's discussed long time ago yes, but I think...   Aug 3 2010, 7:53 am
Existentialist   Way to go, Hoodie.   Aug 2 2010, 4:03 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   Loved this from the comments for the Believe video...   Aug 2 2010, 4:41 pm
Sonic Tonic   NO WAI!!!   Aug 2 2010, 8:08 pm
+Ed+   It's VAI   Aug 3 2010, 1:36 am
OutToDry   Sorry to bitch at you Hoodie. I agree with your s...   Aug 3 2010, 8:57 am
Pokey   Yeah the fact that CT has said he was sitting on t...   Aug 3 2010, 10:42 am
TheBeacon   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF son...   Aug 3 2010, 10:57 am
sh4rpz   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF so...   Aug 3 2010, 11:33 am
SecretInsomnia   I actually like Believe. I wonder how many TGF so...   Aug 3 2010, 1:39 pm
TheBeacon   * ed had been writing for new Live songs since 20...   Aug 7 2010, 9:30 am
Merica   Yeah, Ed's lyrics sucked for it. It's bett...   Aug 3 2010, 11:06 am
OutToDry   Totally all for the best. THis is got to be what ...   Aug 3 2010, 12:45 pm
Liveman94   I actually really liked 'Believe' and ...   Aug 3 2010, 8:55 pm
swami   I actually see a strong similarity between Honest ...   Aug 3 2010, 9:06 pm
+Ed+   What kind of, swami?   Aug 4 2010, 1:39 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   We never got and official release of "Belive...   Aug 5 2010, 1:53 pm
+Ed+   No   Aug 6 2010, 1:30 am
aLIVEinNORWAY   No Thanks   Aug 6 2010, 6:26 am
+Ed+   You are welcome   Aug 6 2010, 6:43 am
+Ed+   Holy fuck, the melody in this one is so much diffe...   Aug 6 2010, 6:48 am
PurdueSteve   I'm glad you made the thread Hoodie. I never r...   Aug 6 2010, 3:05 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I'd really like to hear Ed on the track singi...   Aug 6 2010, 3:43 pm
Pokey   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 4:31 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Agreed. I understand people not liking Kevin...   Aug 7 2010, 5:27 pm
PurdueSteve   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 9:06 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I don't think it's outside of his range, ...   Aug 7 2010, 5:26 pm
PurdueSteve   Find me a song where Ed hits a note as high as wh...   Aug 9 2010, 6:55 am
Aitkens   ? The only part where it's high-pitched, and...   Aug 9 2010, 6:59 am
thefunkyredcaboose   ? The only part where it's high-pitched, and...   Aug 9 2010, 7:28 am
Hoodstock   Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sin...   Aug 7 2010, 9:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Ed's lyrics have been shit for years. Kevin ...   Aug 7 2010, 10:00 pm
Aitkens   There is no way that Ed could manage the vocals on...   Aug 7 2010, 9:22 am
Pokey   Ed singing Honest Man wouldnt sonically sound righ...   Aug 9 2010, 7:28 am
OutToDry   :D :D :D @ Pokey   Aug 9 2010, 9:40 am
OutToDry   for the upcoming LiveFan blog, the lyrical debate...   Oct 3 2012, 9:16 pm
Aitkens   I'll say this as simple as possible. Honest...   Oct 3 2012, 9:18 pm
OutToDry   well the real reason lyrics aside is the musical f...   Oct 3 2012, 9:23 pm
jayda   Seeing the lyrics of Believe written out - gag.   Oct 3 2012, 9:54 pm
+Ed+   I can not say that Believe lyrics are soulless. I ...   Oct 4 2012, 2:37 am
Pokey   Made some changes to the Believe lyrics to be a bi...   Oct 4 2012, 4:28 am
alexou   this looks rushed and obviously without inspiratio...   Oct 4 2012, 9:36 am
OutToDry   no go right ahead, i wanted to give heads up to yo...   Oct 4 2012, 3:04 pm
sh4rpz   To be honest, when I first heard it, with Ed as Be...   Oct 4 2012, 9:13 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   To be honest, when I first heard it, with Ed as B...   Oct 4 2012, 9:33 pm
+Ed+   Well, Purifier had some wicked music as well, but ...   Oct 5 2012, 1:45 am
SJN1279   Well, Purifier had some wicked music as well, but...   Oct 5 2012, 5:54 am
Hobbsy   Both songs were weak in my opinion. Of course t...   Oct 5 2012, 7:05 am
Aitkens   Both songs were weak in my opinion. Let me gue...   Oct 5 2012, 7:37 am
sh4rpz   Just remembered something I noticed long ago (and ...   Oct 6 2012, 5:44 am


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