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post Jul 26 2012, 3:56 pm
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Is it me or has Ed completely become whoever he is talking to in The Ride? Or did I just completely misunderstand the song?

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Fish,
I'm curious, what draws you to Christianity if you don't believe Jesus was the Messiah and you don't believe that He believed it either?




Question: "Is Jesus God? Did Jesus ever claim to be God?"

Answer: Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the precise words, “I am God.” That does not mean, however, that He did not proclaim that He is God. Take for example Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” We need only to look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement to know He was claiming to be God. They tried to stone Him for this very reason. “… you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood exactly what Jesus was claiming—deity. Notice that Jesus does not deny His claim to be God. When Jesus declared, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), He was saying that He and the Father are of one nature and essence. John 8:58 is another example. Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!” The response of the Jews who heard this statement was to take up stones to kill Him for blasphemy, as the Mosaic Law commanded them to do (Leviticus 24:15).

John reiterates the concept of Jesus’ deity: “the Word was God” and “the Word became flesh” (John 1:1, 14). These verses clearly indicate that Jesus is God in the flesh. Acts 20:28 tells us, “Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” Who bought the church—the church of God—with His own blood? Jesus Christ. Acts 20:28 declares that God purchased His church with His own blood. Therefore, Jesus is God!

Thomas the disciple declared concerning Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 encourages us to wait for the coming of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (see also 2 Peter 1:1). In Hebrews 1:8, the Father declares of Jesus, “But about the Son He says, ’Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” The Father refers to Jesus as “O God” indicating that Jesus is indeed God.

In Revelation, an angel instructed the apostle John to only worship God (Revelation 19:10). Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11, 14:33, 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping Him. If Jesus were not God, He would have told people to not worship Him, just as the angel in Revelation did. There are many other verses and passages of Scripture that argue for Jesus’ deity.

The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death.








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World Dreamer   The Ride   Jul 26 2012, 3:56 pm
OutToDry   gonna have to re-educate myself with that song, it...   Jul 26 2012, 4:30 pm
jayda   gonna have to re-educate myself with that song, i...   Jul 26 2012, 4:40 pm
Pokey   I really like The Ride, again V for me is an album...   Jul 26 2012, 4:40 pm
Badman   I really like The Ride, again V for me is an albu...   Jul 26 2012, 4:50 pm
Wambangalang   i laughed the first time i heard "in the east...   Jul 26 2012, 5:56 pm
OutToDry   i laughed the first time i heard "in the eas...   Jul 26 2012, 10:25 pm
Pokey   The ride's is faster... do do, do do, do do,...   Jul 27 2012, 2:50 am
OutToDry   Are those technical terms OTD? :hehe: Notice I ...   Jul 27 2012, 7:11 am
jayda   where is this song? I got it confused with one of...   Jul 26 2012, 6:26 pm
PillarOfDavidson   Is it me or has Ed completely become whoever he i...   Jul 26 2012, 7:07 pm
jayda   Track 10 on V. Thanks. V didn't make the ...   Jul 26 2012, 7:16 pm
PillarOfDavidson   Thanks. V didn't make the cut. It wasn...   Jul 26 2012, 7:26 pm
World Dreamer   Maybe you're just focusing on these lines: ...   Jul 27 2012, 8:14 am
FishOutaWater   And now all he can think about is money. Plus it ...   Jul 27 2012, 8:38 am
jayda   Maybe we'll find out soon :happy:   Jul 26 2012, 9:30 pm
+Ed+   i laughed the first time i heard "in the eas...   Jul 27 2012, 2:21 am
Wambangalang   yeh there's a difference now that i hear them ...   Jul 27 2012, 2:53 am
deepenoughtodive   That's a lame deceptive description of Christi...   Jul 27 2012, 8:43 am
FishOutaWater   That's a lame deceptive description of Christ...   Jul 27 2012, 9:11 am
jclive   That's a lame deceptive description of Christ...   Jul 27 2012, 9:18 am
FishOutaWater   Agree 1000%. A Christian is a disciple of Jesus....   Jul 27 2012, 9:58 am
Badman   A Christian is a disciple of Jesus. Its not abo...   Jul 27 2012, 12:37 pm
jclive   Psssshhhhh :facepalm: If this is the [b]definit...   Jul 27 2012, 2:53 pm
rock4adiference   That's a lame deceptive description of Christ...   Jul 27 2012, 9:43 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I doubt Ed would describe himself as the conservat...   Jul 27 2012, 1:06 pm
Good_Pain   I doubt Ed would describe himself as the conserva...   Jul 27 2012, 2:42 pm
jclive   I doubt Ed would describe himself as the conserva...   Jul 27 2012, 2:57 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It seems that he's always struggled with spir...   Jul 27 2012, 3:30 pm
jclive   That first part's a good point. Second part, ...   Jul 27 2012, 5:03 pm
PillarOfDavidson   You can make a boat load anywhere i guess. But c...   Jul 27 2012, 8:09 pm
World Dreamer   This reminds me of the Life of Brian debate in the...   Jul 27 2012, 3:17 pm
Good_Pain   I am close friends with 2 of the biggest selling a...   Jul 27 2012, 4:30 pm
OutToDry   I am close friends with 2 of the biggest selling ...   Jul 27 2012, 9:29 pm
Badman   I think he honestly believes he is a christian but...   Jul 27 2012, 6:12 pm
jayda   I think he honestly believes he is a christian bu...   Jul 27 2012, 10:34 pm
OutToDry   I think he honestly believes he is a christian bu...   Jul 27 2012, 10:45 pm
makemedream   All this debate is really interesting but answer m...   Jul 28 2012, 1:13 am
thefunkyredcaboose   All this debate is really interesting but answer ...   Jul 29 2012, 10:15 am
themaestro   6RT6rL2UroE   Jul 29 2012, 10:28 am
PillarOfDavidson   Also, yes Pokey, it's just as easy being an a...   Jul 29 2012, 10:57 am
themaestro   Yes. Christian music on the radio is 99 percent r...   Jul 29 2012, 11:54 am
PillarOfDavidson   OTD... I just noticed the Throwing Copper pic in y...   Jul 28 2012, 3:52 am
deepenoughtodive   Fish, If you are saying that the vast majority of...   Jul 28 2012, 8:55 am
FishOutaWater   Fish, If you are saying that the vast majority o...   Jul 28 2012, 4:26 pm
Pokey   Man it's so much easier being an athiest, wher...   Jul 28 2012, 4:53 pm
Kymra   Man it's so much easier being an athiest, whe...   Aug 8 2012, 9:31 am
+AllOverMe+   I believe in nothing, i believe in myself. I'm...   Aug 8 2012, 1:55 pm
OutToDry   this thread is turning to gotigrz levels, just ki...   Jul 28 2012, 8:22 pm
Pokey   It doesn't go to gotigrz levels until people t...   Jul 29 2012, 2:12 am
+AllOverMe+   I can't believe this thread was about 'The...   Jul 29 2012, 7:07 am
FishOutaWater   It doesn't go to gotigrz levels until people ...   Jul 29 2012, 7:08 am
Pokey   Apparently, according to some, I am not a Christi...   Jul 29 2012, 10:02 am
Hoodstock   I think I find the history of religion interestin...   Aug 30 2012, 10:42 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   This is relevant   Jul 29 2012, 10:05 am
rock4adiference   This is relevant Love this!   Jul 29 2012, 12:05 pm
FishOutaWater   This is relevant Now that is funny! :thum...   Jul 29 2012, 5:15 pm
possum   Religion, weed, Munchies (why is that not availabl...   Jul 30 2012, 9:45 am
dangum   I've moved the Munchies, Doritos and pot conve...   Aug 7 2012, 10:52 pm
Fool_By_The_River   "The Ride" is one of the better songs of...   Nov 10 2016, 8:59 pm
Shared Belief   solid song. v had some good ones and some weird/ba...   Nov 10 2016, 11:34 pm
Wambangalang   I don't know how other people's brains wor...   Nov 12 2016, 7:58 am
mfitz804   I don't know how other people's brains wo...   Nov 12 2016, 8:41 pm
mfitz804   My reaction to the entire V album was "WTF?...   Nov 12 2016, 9:01 am
alexou   I like some of V, but The ride is not one of it. M...   Nov 12 2016, 10:16 am


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