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post Jun 22 2012, 1:28 am
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QUOTE(Opinechik @ Jun 19 2012, 11:14 am) *

Actually I'm not a religious person in the usual sense of the word, so I wasn't at all offended.
And since I don't wanna go all off topic,we'll leave it at that. tongue.gif


[This thread jumps off this longer discussion in the Ed section]

Believe me, you aren't alone Opine. Most people on this website are pretty non-religious. I do have a theory for this:

In the absence of church leaders telling us what to do, many of us learned to think for ourselves. We sought out music that "made us think" such as TC and MJ which caused us to fall in love with the band. I mean, these songs are all open for interpretation and offer real advice for how to live our lives. We are the world, good pain, and the idea that water is both the giver and the taker of life. This is some deep stuff. happy.gif

Because many of us feel this way towards religious and shallow music, we have experienced a complete rejection of Ed's new direction. This is a generalization of the fans from my point of view but I'd like to know if this resonates with anyone here. Has this music at some point in your life replaced/stood in for religious feelings?


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QUOTE(Badman @ Jun 22 2012, 1:28 am) *

Has this music at some point in your life replaced/stood in for religious feelings?

For me it has.

I have my beliefs and I conveniently follow bits of my religion which make sense or 'feel right'.

But I will say that LIVE's music and lyrics have had a big effect on the person I am. Spiritually it has hardened my beliefs - whether in God or mankind or just life in general.

Having a shit day? Play a LIVE tune (pre-2000) and you're reminded of the bigger picture and everything appears to be alright again.

I think you have to have that connection with the lyric for it to work for you. Probably why most of us have stuck around with LIVE for so long.

We're immersed in the lyric and the music and at the same time are loyal and pay homage to the fact that these 4 dudes have given us the right words at the times in our lives, whichever point it was - good or bad.

It's a connection I know I'll always have.

Edit: To continue from the comments I and others made in another thread over the last day or so, I would say the above within context, is the reason why I wish the best for Ed. Even though his new persona and music isn't something which appeals to me. I will give it a listen and probably download or buy his CD and go see his show in the subconscious hope that somewhere in there, that same connection we all had with his lyrics pre-2000 will emerge again even for a little while.

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Not to shamelessly promote my blog - but just yesterday I posted a blog entry about Mental Jewelry that discusses the spiritual impact of that album in quite some detail. I hope that people check it out - I would love to know what people think of my blog:

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Badman   and to burn the crowd that has a name   Jun 22 2012, 1:28 am
zmanpga   Not to shamelessly promote my blog - but just yes...   Jun 22 2012, 3:06 pm
Badman   Not to shamelessly promote my blog - but just yes...   Jun 22 2012, 3:36 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Not to shamelessly promote blog... <promotes b...   Jun 22 2012, 10:40 am
Pokey   Not to shamelessly promote blog... <promotes ...   Jun 22 2012, 10:41 am
thefunkyredcaboose   You should really have supplied the link to his b...   Jun 22 2012, 10:47 am
Pokey   Hahaha Just to clarify, I like reading Fish...   Jun 22 2012, 11:09 am
FishOutaWater   You should really have supplied the link to his b...   Jun 22 2012, 10:57 am
Lebanon Corvalis   :thumbsup: By the way - on topic - Live has defi...   Jun 22 2012, 2:32 pm
dancing queen   I'm going to read Fish's blog, but before ...   Jun 22 2012, 11:19 am
Opinechik   I can't say that music has ever replaced or st...   Jun 22 2012, 1:11 pm
Pokey   I wouldn't say that I have any serious thought...   Jun 22 2012, 1:38 pm
Opinechik   Oh, how I wish I enjoyed his voice now.... I'd...   Jun 22 2012, 1:50 pm
+Ed+   Fish, update the separate thread for your blog eac...   Jun 22 2012, 2:06 pm
World Dreamer   Religion is funny. If you don't do it exactly...   Jun 22 2012, 3:14 pm
Opinechik   Religion is funny. If you don't do it exactl...   Jun 22 2012, 3:34 pm
PillarOfDavidson   Religion is funny. If you don't do it exactl...   Jun 22 2012, 6:15 pm
World Dreamer   What do you think of Pascal's Wager, WD? A ...   Jun 23 2012, 8:16 pm
Wambangalang   So, if you come at Christianity from the angle of...   Jun 23 2012, 9:20 pm
PillarOfDavidson   the god described in all versions of the holy bib...   Jun 23 2012, 10:09 pm
Pokey   It sure as shit seems like it. But he's also ...   Jun 24 2012, 7:38 am
dancing queen   the god described in all versions of the holy bib...   Jun 24 2012, 4:10 am
Badman   as far as Catholics go - anyone who believes that...   Jun 24 2012, 3:45 pm
Opinechik   the god described in all versions of the holy bib...   Jun 24 2012, 6:36 am
jayda   the god described in all versions of the holy bib...   Jun 24 2012, 7:20 am
Wambangalang   You surprise me every time you post Wam....you...   Jun 24 2012, 4:36 pm
PillarOfDavidson   went to a catholic education type school every sa...   Jun 24 2012, 6:18 pm
OutToDry   This   Jun 22 2012, 3:22 pm
OutToDry   thread   Jun 22 2012, 3:23 pm
OutToDry   is   Jun 22 2012, 3:23 pm
OutToDry   useless   Jun 22 2012, 3:23 pm
OutToDry   without   Jun 22 2012, 3:23 pm
OutToDry   pictures!!!   Jun 22 2012, 3:23 pm
dancing queen   pictures!!! pics of what, OTD?   Jun 22 2012, 3:26 pm
Pokey   pictures!!! Fine. http://justinsul...   Jun 22 2012, 3:46 pm
OutToDry   http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4036/4292540718_729c...   Jun 22 2012, 3:32 pm
SctSamadhi   http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4036/4292540718_729...   Jun 22 2012, 6:09 pm
Opinechik   Doofuses :crazy:   Jun 22 2012, 3:53 pm
Pokey   This thread is now the Rhino thread, post your bes...   Jun 22 2012, 4:04 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   This thread is now the Rhino thread, post your be...   Jun 22 2012, 4:33 pm
Wildman   To stay on the different topics in this topic, her...   Jun 23 2012, 7:52 am
jayda   I'm a relatively late comer to LIVE as well (a...   Jun 23 2012, 9:10 am
Opinechik   I'm a relatively late comer to LIVE as well (...   Jun 23 2012, 8:41 pm
jayda   Jayda, are you agnostic or atheist if you don...   Jun 24 2012, 7:16 am
Opinechik   atheist (I had to look up agnostic!!...   Jun 24 2012, 7:23 am
PillarOfDavidson   I've always believed in Christ, and I've a...   Jun 23 2012, 11:28 am
Badman   I haven't turned into some moral/philosophica...   Jun 23 2012, 5:51 pm
PillarOfDavidson   Ha, that is where I am. I have learned a lot thr...   Jun 23 2012, 6:45 pm
Pokey   Badman's gonna be pissed :veryangry: Oh r...   Jun 23 2012, 7:49 pm
Opinechik   Oh really? :eyebrow: See, Rhinos = happiness, ...   Jun 23 2012, 8:24 pm
Pokey   http://smfrfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/...   Jun 23 2012, 11:57 am
PillarOfDavidson   http://smfrfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01...   Jun 23 2012, 12:23 pm
OutToDry   http://hehpic.com/1A.jpg   Jun 23 2012, 12:26 pm
Opinechik   Badman's gonna be pissed :veryangry:   Jun 23 2012, 1:23 pm
Pokey   How can he be pissed when there are Rhinos?   Jun 23 2012, 1:31 pm
Opinechik   Maybe I'm mistaken...because everyone knows rh...   Jun 23 2012, 1:39 pm
Pokey   Maybe I'm mistaken...because everyone knows r...   Jun 23 2012, 1:45 pm
Opinechik   Ok, well then, he should be ecstatic eh?   Jun 23 2012, 1:48 pm
Pokey   As far as using music goes for filling a hole that...   Jun 23 2012, 2:01 pm
PillarOfDavidson   As far as using music goes for filling a hole tha...   Jun 23 2012, 2:59 pm
Pokey   I can't speak for other religious people, but...   Jun 23 2012, 3:13 pm
PillarOfDavidson   Well see/hear/listen to, not specifically just re...   Jun 23 2012, 4:17 pm
World Dreamer   It's easy for me to dismiss his music and eve...   Jun 23 2012, 8:32 pm
dancing queen   As far as using music goes for filling a hole tha...   Jun 24 2012, 3:55 am
OutToDry   No offense!!! Here's your religion...   Jun 23 2012, 4:14 pm
jayda   So, are Catholics Christians? Doesn't Ed clai...   Jun 23 2012, 7:31 pm
Pokey   So, are Catholics Christians? Doesn't Ed cla...   Jun 23 2012, 7:47 pm
jayda   I thought catholics were a type of christian, lik...   Jun 24 2012, 7:18 am
OutToDry   Christianity includes many sects Roman Catholic O...   Jun 23 2012, 7:52 pm
World Dreamer   Also thank you all for this civil thread. When thi...   Jun 23 2012, 9:14 pm
Wambangalang   yes it's all really rather perverted isn't...   Jun 24 2012, 10:11 pm
FishOutaWater   I think that Catholic doctrine is a vestige of pre...   Jun 25 2012, 9:32 am
PillarOfDavidson   By the way - about religion - I don't think t...   Jun 25 2012, 12:14 pm
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