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post May 17 2012, 10:54 am
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In my opinion, the biggest challenge to Live's future success is the fact that sadly, for some reason that I don't understand, Rock seems to be almost dead. A rock band cannot get any traction anymore, unless it has a 30 year following like Van Halen, Springstein, U2, Metallica, etc. Apart from the Foo Fighters, Rock n' Roll has been gradually relegated to a specialty genre like jazz and blues. R & B and auto-tune vocalists who are not artists have completely taken over the charts and the record industry is a complete disaster. To me it is really sad because modern music has no heart and soul anymore. And to me, this is the biggest challenge to Live becoming successful again. I would like to see Live be a part of a movement to make rock relevant again.


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QUOTE(dancing queen @ May 22 2012, 12:29 pm) *

I sure as shit hope there is music and a tour (at least announcement) way before October!
I also don't want the guys to plan anything around Ed's coming into town.

but if they want to be a name people know again (and maybe they don't, and if they don't, that's cool and this whole thread is moot), they have to consider the timing of things.

I'm gathering from the speed/timing of things so far (the website, for example) that they don't give a shit.

and that's totally wonderful for them. because that means they are free to make the stuff they make at their own pace in their own time and that's awesome (not so much for those of us impatient bastards).

Do they even have a PR team??? if they do, they need to fire them and hire fish and funky.

and the successes of MJ, TC, and SS were in large part due to the culture of music at the time. they caught a break and rode a huge wave.
not that the music isn't mind blowing. It is.
but if Live had never existed until - say 2002 - and MJ came out in 2002 - with the state of music where it was then, or even now 2012 - do you think it would even get a nod? On indie stations, some college stations, sure. but stadiums like they played in the 90's? no way. not a chance.

bottom line is I want amazing music. I want them to do whatever they have to to make that happen.
but it would also be nice (icing on the cake) to tell people I'm going to see LIVE and not have to sing Lightning Crashes to get them to know what I'm talking about.


Of course the business model is different, times are different. Of course they rode a wave with TC. Alternative radio is not what it was. Gotye has 220 million views on youtube, most of which occurred before it even became a radio staple. OK Go got over 50 million views for their treadmill video with very little radio support. Bands are able to reach the masses in different ways these days. Bands build a following and earn a living working in a new business model. What I'm saying is they need to focus on that. Who knows if they can reach millions of fans again, but it is possible.

You make a good point about whether or not they actually want to, and that is the real question to me. It was a very soft intro to CS. I get the private show, but SXSW should have been a bigger deal. Were they even officially part of SXSW? They weren't on the band listing for the festival, neither was CB or TGF. Live playing with a new singer should have garnered some good press. They could have partnered with Youtube, Google, Yahoo or someone and done a live broadcast. Every major music publication online and print was surely in town. Lots of symposiums they could have been part of. Again, there are all sorts of ways they could have had a major presence at SXSW just by being part of all the new ways to interact with your fans. Festivals like SXSW or Coachella are great ways to do that. I know Coachella was broadcast by many different online and new media outlets. These types of festivals are at the forefront when it comes to attracting fans that are hip and savvy enough to interact with bands in this new frontier of music. Live should have taken advantage of that.

Live really doesn't seem like an active band right now. I don't know the reasoning behind it. I'm sure introducing a new singer is extremely tricky. Maybe there is still legal stuff. Lots of uncertainties. But they sure don't seem to have gotten full force behind their re-introduction. Where are the Churchbox Sessions? How about some other unreleased material. There are countless ways they could be releasing material. Do they do it as is with EK, or re-record it? I don't know. If they are 100% behind CS, maybe an EP would be a good idea right now. Maybe a new tune or two with a few re-recorded unreleased Live songs. Bottom line is, there are a ton of the artistic type things they could be doing to get the PR right now. The SXSW show should have been one, a more comprehensive website, more merchandise, release some new music, do some more shows, license some of your old material, make a kick ass video, give more updates, basically make the band active and current. These are the types of creative things they should be doing. Even though a band may not be working a full album, I think these days you need to be interacting with your fans and staying as active as you can. It's pretty much a full time job I think if you want to stay engaged, but if you want your band to be your primary occupation it can be done and done successfully.


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FishOutaWater   The Biggest Challenge For Live's Future Success Is...   May 17 2012, 10:54 am
World Dreamer   In my opinion, the biggest challenge to Live...   May 17 2012, 11:01 am
World Dreamer   Even the rock that is on the radio is more or less...   May 17 2012, 11:07 am
themaestro   In my opinion, the biggest challenge to Live...   May 17 2012, 11:11 am
+Ed+   Alter Bridge gathered 11 thousand people for their...   May 17 2012, 12:27 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Alter Bridge gathered 11 thousand people for thei...   May 17 2012, 1:18 pm
Badman   I think it is less pop music and more electronic m...   May 17 2012, 1:19 pm
FishOutaWater   I would be interested in reading a discussion of w...   May 17 2012, 1:29 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I would be interested in reading a discussion of ...   May 17 2012, 1:50 pm
FishOutaWater   The target demographic for people to actually by ...   May 17 2012, 1:59 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I am afraid you're right. Now I am depressed...   May 17 2012, 2:21 pm
Sonic Tonic   In order for Live to "climb the summit...   May 17 2012, 2:11 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   This is true. Image and looks is a big factor. Li...   May 17 2012, 2:19 pm
Sonic Tonic   You had those in the '90s too, but the grungy...   May 17 2012, 3:23 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Indeed. A cool sexy look sells. As much as ...   May 17 2012, 3:35 pm
World Dreamer   As much as people here may hate me for saying it,...   May 17 2012, 3:47 pm
Pokey   I agree, however if you can come up with a great ...   May 17 2012, 3:57 pm
World Dreamer   And to be honest I'm pretty skeptical and cyn...   May 17 2012, 4:15 pm
themaestro   Possible, for sure. Could also be that her talent...   May 17 2012, 4:18 pm
World Dreamer   Man, I couldn't agree more on Hold Me Up. Re-...   May 17 2012, 4:23 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I know they were trying to promote SFBM when they...   May 17 2012, 4:25 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I agree, however if you can come up with a great ...   May 17 2012, 4:05 pm
themaestro   As much as people here may hate me for saying it,...   May 17 2012, 4:04 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Gotye has the biggest song going right now and he...   May 17 2012, 4:07 pm
themaestro   A catchy song does not equal a great song. If Liv...   May 17 2012, 4:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Personally, I like the Gotye song. Tired of it, b...   May 17 2012, 4:13 pm
themaestro   I like the song too actually, but it is a style t...   May 17 2012, 4:25 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   True, but a good rock song can also be a good pop...   May 17 2012, 4:34 pm
FishOutaWater   I am a goal followed by stategy followed by action...   May 17 2012, 5:25 pm
themaestro   I am a goal followed by stategy followed by actio...   May 17 2012, 5:46 pm
SJN1279   Gotye has the biggest song going right now and he...   May 17 2012, 8:03 pm
Aitkens   For many women, Goyte has sex appeal. Bush has G...   May 17 2012, 8:14 pm
Sonic Tonic   very creepy that you went with the sex appeal ide...   May 18 2012, 7:28 am
jayda   For many women, Goyte has sex appeal. I can te...   May 17 2012, 10:43 pm
MrSheptical   For many women, Goyte has sex appeal. Bush has G...   May 18 2012, 2:20 am
World Dreamer   For many women, Goyte has sex appeal. Bush has G...   May 18 2012, 9:10 am
OutToDry   The target demographic for people to actually b...   May 17 2012, 5:58 pm
OutToDry   Rock is thought of to be dead....it's not....i...   May 17 2012, 2:52 pm
zmanpga   as long as they are playing to their fans and maki...   May 17 2012, 4:02 pm
Badman   This thread echoes my thread on if we even want li...   May 17 2012, 4:16 pm
MrSheptical   I think the problem with "success" is th...   May 17 2012, 5:37 pm
Pokey   I think the problem with "success" is t...   May 17 2012, 5:45 pm
Pokey   The thing is that this is all relevant by what you...   May 17 2012, 5:43 pm
MrSheptical   Something else... more rambling thoughts... I thin...   May 17 2012, 5:45 pm
Good_Pain   I think we have all come to the realization that L...   May 17 2012, 7:41 pm
OutToDry   maybe he's coming out............. :happy:   May 17 2012, 8:43 pm
SJN1279   maybe he's coming out............. :happy: ...   May 17 2012, 9:02 pm
Pokey   Putting down gay people, nice. Isn't that w...   May 17 2012, 9:15 pm
OutToDry   Putting down gay people, nice. no, this one...   May 17 2012, 9:37 pm
briburge   maybe he's coming out............. :happy: Y...   May 18 2012, 5:22 am
OutToDry   where did I say I was putting that social group do...   May 17 2012, 9:06 pm
OutToDry   are you gonna man up and admit your post was total...   May 17 2012, 9:17 pm
SJN1279   are you gonna man up and admit your post was tota...   May 17 2012, 9:21 pm
OutToDry   your second last post. and furthermore most of y...   May 17 2012, 9:27 pm
SJN1279   your second last post. and furthermore most of ...   May 17 2012, 9:29 pm
themaestro   That Bush succeeds because of Gavin and being on ...   May 17 2012, 9:52 pm
SJN1279   Bush is not on a major label and Institute went n...   May 17 2012, 10:01 pm
+Ed+   The target demographic for people to actually by ...   May 18 2012, 5:14 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Youth buying CDs? Errr.... no. I think that guy...   May 18 2012, 7:57 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Just realized that this thread is more arguing wit...   May 18 2012, 7:58 am
+Ed+   That may be true where you live Ed, but in Americ...   May 18 2012, 8:20 am
FishOutaWater   OK - I have given it some thought and I have come ...   May 18 2012, 9:08 am
World Dreamer   OK - I have given it some thought and I have come...   May 18 2012, 9:16 am
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