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post Jul 25 2011, 3:04 am
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Forgive me if this has already been discussed on the forum. But I was listening to Zion earlier and this thought came over me because I knew the song sounded familiar. I just figured it sounded similar for some general reason, such as Ed's voice sounding good like it used to... but then for whatever reason I went to listen to some Live and thought "I haven't heard Face and Ghost in a while... let's spin that."

Wow... was he trying to rip himself off? I mean, damn... I know there are obviously some differences. The chorus to both songs goes in somewhat different chordal directions and Zion has more of a peppy tempo to it, but the similarity in overall structure, the lyrical theme, and the identical Em-to-Asus2 chord progression (tuned down half-step) in the intros/verses are impossible to ignore.

Face and Ghost is hands down the better song. It's hauntingly deep and powerful. I don't want to disparage Zion too much because it is one of two songs I actually tolerate listening to off Alive because they remind me of vintage Ed. But Ed really needs to stretch his creative boundaries out just a bit for his next album...
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Pokey
post Jul 25 2011, 4:42 am
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I can see similarities and I do enjoy both songs (F&G is one of my absolute favorite Live songs), and I am all for artists pushing their boundaries and growing ... but considering everything else on Alive was unlistenable to me I'd prefer him to delve back into what worked for him.
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post Jul 25 2011, 6:20 pm
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You are right Sheptical, the Em to Asus progression and strumming pattern are very similar. F&G does the pull-off with the ring finger on the Asus and I don't think Zion does. They are so similar that in one of his acoustic bootlegs when going into the 3rd verse on F&G Ed sings "take me" and then stops himself and while continuing to strums admits that he was about to "break off into a new song, but it is my song". I think it was in the bootleg he gave away for free (Wateratts).
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post Jul 26 2011, 2:07 am
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QUOTE(PurdueSteve @ Jul 26 2011, 12:20 am) *
They are so similar that in one of his acoustic bootlegs when going into the 3rd verse on F&G Ed sings "take me" and then stops himself and while continuing to strums admits that he was about to "break off into a new song, but it is my song". I think it was in the bootleg he gave away for free (Wateratts).


Ha! That's pretty funny; might have to track down the audio.
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post Jul 27 2011, 12:47 pm
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I have it. I will try to put it up maybe tomorrow night.
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post Aug 1 2011, 11:28 am
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QUOTE(World Dreamer @ Jul 27 2011, 1:47 pm) *

I have it. I will try to put it up maybe tomorrow night.


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post Aug 1 2011, 2:13 pm
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QUOTE(Hoodstock @ Aug 1 2011, 12:28 pm) *

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Face and ghost blows Zion away no question.
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post Aug 1 2011, 5:08 pm
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QUOTE(Hoodstock @ Aug 1 2011, 11:28 am) *

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Since I was late adding it I have included the video wink.gif

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WS9CPXH0 (video)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IWX26MDZ (mp3)

Would have been an epic acoustic version if he hadn't messed up. That's right, folks. Alive sucks for more reasons than you think. IT RUINS OLD LIVE SONGS!
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post Aug 2 2011, 9:30 am
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Cheers for posting that - decent enough performance, although he does seem pretty strained... a bit too artificial with his vocal performance almost? Tough to explain...
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post Aug 5 2011, 10:29 am
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Face and Ghost is by far one of my favorite Live songs ever.
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post Aug 6 2011, 2:07 am
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who cares! both 2 beautiful songs... just listen
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post Aug 8 2011, 2:08 pm
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who cares! both 2 beautiful songs... just listen


Zion isn't good.
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post Aug 8 2011, 6:15 pm
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Zion isn't good.

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post Aug 9 2011, 4:05 am
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yeh it's pretty friggin good. Almost like split-personality good, whereby the ed of old came out for just that one song, then holy gay ed was present for the rest kind of good.
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