Pop?, Is that necessarily bad? Options

[LiveRocks]

I see the term Live has went "pop" being thrown around left & right here, Is pop music bad? I've listened to SFBM numerous times now & it is still rock music, Every song may not be your particular cup of tea but being a Live fan I did like the album. I think some fans get in the bad habit of comparing every new release to "Throwing Copper" & that will be a recipe for disaster every time. That album is a what put Live on the national map, a Top 100 Rolling Stone Album of all time, There will never be another TC, the sooner the true Live fan realizes that the quicker you can enjoy their subsequent releases. They are older,they have lives/kids,etc. Their sound has changed somewhat, the lyrics Ed writes now is because he's in a different space then he was in 1994. That's music. There is nothing wrong with that. Most artists who have 6-7 albums style or sound has changed, that's life. Do I like every song they've released...No but I don't hold up everything in a litmus test compared to "Throwing Copper", Simply put there won't be another "Throwing Copper", quit expecting that & enjoy(when possible)

This post has been edited by LiveRocks: Apr 15 2006, 11:16 am

[sherocker]

I do agree with most of what you're saying here. people should listen to the album with an openminded view, cos like u said, a lot of people kind of expect (or really want it to be) a sound similair to TC, SS, but of course they've 'evolved' and that's what u hear in their music! nothing wrong with that!

[Costakoui]

I see the term Live has went "pop" being thrown around left & right here, Is pop music bad? I've listened to SFBM numerous times now & it is still rock music, Every song may not be your particular cup of tea but being a Live fan I did like the album. I think some fans get in the bad habit of comparing every new release to "Throwing Copper" & that will be a recipe for disaster every time. That album is a what put Live on the national map, a Top 100 Rolling Stone Album of all time, There will never be another TC, the sooner the true Live fan realizes that the quicker you can enjoy their subsequent releases. They are older,they have lives/kids,etc. Their sound has changed somewhat, the lyrics Ed writes now is because he's in a different space then he was in 1994. That's music. There is nothing wrong with that. Most artists who have 6-7 albums style or sound has changed, that's life. Do I like every song they've released...No but I don't hold up everything in a litmus test compared to "Throwing Copper", Simply put there won't be another "Throwing Copper", quit expecting that & enjoy(when possible)

Very well put. Many fans complain that Live has changed. Well, fans – all of us have changed too. I am not sure whether TC would be as successful as it was in 1995 if it was released today.

[sherocker]

I think people are afraid of change!

This post has been edited by sherocker: Apr 15 2006, 11:37 am

[seriakiLLa]

I see the term Live has went "pop" being thrown around left & right here, Is pop music bad? I've listened to SFBM numerous times now & it is still rock music, Every song may not be your particular cup of tea but being a Live fan I did like the album. I think some fans get in the bad habit of comparing every new release to "Throwing Copper" & that will be a recipe for disaster every time. That album is a what put Live on the national map, a Top 100 Rolling Stone Album of all time, There will never be another TC, the sooner the true Live fan realizes that the quicker you can enjoy their subsequent releases. They are older,they have lives/kids,etc. Their sound has changed somewhat, the lyrics Ed writes now is because he's in a different space then he was in 1994. That's music. There is nothing wrong with that. Most artists who have 6-7 albums style or sound has changed, that's life. Do I like every song they've released...No but I don't hold up everything in a litmus test compared to "Throwing Copper", Simply put there won't be another "Throwing Copper", quit expecting that & enjoy(when possible)

It's of course a matter of preference. Pop itself isn't evil.

Rock or pop, what exactly makes you listen to a song? Is it when you hear creativeness? Is it when you sense a deep passion and inspiration behind it? Good songwriting? Does it interest you more if you knew how talented the artist is, and how this artist is involved in the making of music, and not just singing it? Or do you find it better if this artist CAN perform live?

Yes, there won't be another TC, SS isn't TC, MJ wasn't TC, but I dig those 3 albums almost equally.

Like I said in another thread, with this album, I am for the first time, getting to appreciate the new direction the band is taking, since the V era. This isn't brilliant work, but it's a good enough sign that the band is alive and well, and I'm looking forward to the next album.

[Pokey]

I don't think pop is an overly bad thing. my old man Morrissey is pop. To me though I think Live is just making bad pop. There are some things you're good at and some things you're not good at. Live are good at making rock music, not pop. Yes there are much worse pop bands out there than what Live has turned into that's true.
But you look at a pop band like hell I dunno, this new band in England here called McFly .. they are fucking SHIT. They're a pop band trying to be emo which is .. wow, really bad. But the thing is they've never really done anything good.
Live has shown what an awesome rock band they can be and now it just seems like a fall from grace. If they could actually pull it off without betraying their talent and creativity then I'd be all for it.

As to comparing stuff to Throwing Copper, well you look at any band and everything seems to get compared to some other album they've done .. it's just a way of life for fans to do that.
I'm not one of these people hoping for TC 2, like I said in another thread there is a difference between accepting change and accepting a drop in the quality of material.

So yeah, I don't think pop is always a bad thing .. I think you have to look through more shit to find the good stuff, but there is good stuff .. I just don't think it works for Live though.

[seriakiLLa]

If they could actually pull it off without betraying their talent and creativity then I'd be all for it.

Exactly.

[LiveRocks]

Very well put. Many fans complain that Live has changed. Well, fans – all of us have changed too. I am not sure whether TC would be as successful as it was in 1995 if it was released today.

It's funny you mentioned that because that was something I also thought as well. That album was released at the right time and the rest is history.

[mfitz804]

Very well put. Many fans complain that Live has changed. Well, fans – all of us have changed too. I am not sure whether TC would be as successful as it was in 1995 if it was released today.

I think it would certainly NOT do as well if it were released today. The entire musical landscape has changed, regardless of whether certain fans' tastes have or not.