Why wouldn't you want Live to get back together?, Other side of the coin. Options

[SJN1279]

I know that many of us would like to see Live get back together in some form, but I'm curious as to why some of us don't. Seeing all sides of the issue is always a good thing, and it would be interesting to see the responses.

[mfitz804]

Most people were unhappy with the product they were providing for years. There is no reason to assume a reunited Live would be a restoration of the old Live. You could just get more of the stuff that was upsetting the fan base.

I don't necessarily agree, but there's an argument.

[OutToDry]

Agree that no one will fully agree

Many pine for more abuse and those that want that, some advicet.....get to a headshrinker.

Here's what I am saying.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1BFHYtZlAU


This post has been edited by OutToDry: May 17 2016, 10:19 pm

[Hoodstock]

Because of everything they put out post TDTH. Live went way off course because Ed took over.The only way Live works is through total collaboration.

[SuperHans]

The band may not be as commercially successful with Chris Shinn however they do seem to have found their ability to rock.

If Ed came back I think we may end up with something like BOP again and given that they are an older band now Id' say that their commercial success would be limited anyway even with Ed in the band.

Ed has his shows and his fans go to them, Live have their shows and their fans go to them.

I've been to both and enjoyed both, Live with Chris was better than Ed and his band, but I'm happy to see them both separately. With an Ed show you know what you are going to get and with a Chris show you know it won't be as polished but it will be loud and energetic.

I'm happy with things the way they are.

Hans.

[mfitz804]

The band may not be as commercially successful with Chris Shinn however they do seem to have found their ability to rock.

Hans.

If they do reunite, perhaps its a commentary on which is more important to them.

[SJN1279]

If they do reunite, perhaps its a commentary on which is more important to them.

They are men in their mid-40's with families. As they age, their earning potential decreases. Together they have the potential to make a lot more money than they do apart. You can't fault them for wanting their children to be taken care of in the future.

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[SinfulEyes]

They are men in their mid-40's with families. As they age, their earning potential decreases. Together they have the potential to make a lot more money than they do apart. You can't fault them for wanting their children to be taken care of in the future.

They have plenty of cash. Besides, why would you care about their finances?

[SJN1279]

They have plenty of cash. Besides, why would you care about their finances?

How do you know they have plenty of cash? Plenty of people who made more money than they did, aren't financially secure. Even if they are financially secure, why not maximize their earning potential?

Would you be excited to go to work on Monday and see your paycheck cut in half, or worse?

[SinfulEyes]

How do you know they have plenty of cash? Plenty of people who made more money than they did, aren't financially secure. Even if they are financially secure, why not maximize their earning potential?

Would you be excited to go to work on Monday and see your paycheck cut in half, or worse?

What makes you think they need the money?

That's the biggest reason why I wouldn't want them to see them perform or record together anymore. The passion and energy will never be back especially if they are just just performing for a payday.

[Voodoo Lady]

I've read that when touring, mid-level rock bands and artists actually struggle to break even and sometimes even end up paying out of pocket. I'm convinced that's why LIVE stopped touring w/ Shinn. Even though their hearts are truly in what they do, making albums & touring is their livelihood & has been since they were fresh out of high school. Low level, mid-level, even top level-- why do you think a many bands split/break up over the finances? Um, it's cause it's quite important. -"Lead singer bonus" sound familiar? Look at top-level AC/DC... you can't tell me they replaced Brian Johnson with Axl Rose (Who by the way, looks ridiculous up there on stage in a wheelchair--Hey, it's Timmy from Southpark!) to finish this tour just for the fans' sakes. No, it's about money too.

[drewgood]

If it's all about money, they could go to their old label and strike a deal to put their unreleased stuff on itunes, amazon, etc. All the work is done. The mixing, the mastering, etc. The tracks are just sitting there collecting dust. Then again, by all indications, never have any these guys seemed to demonstrate that they have any kind of business savvy. And it is my own personal opinion that they harbor a certain resentment to the fans who would love to hear their old tunes... as if the band is insulted that fans would want to listen more to old stuff than new.

It is sad to me how much we care about them when they clearly don't feel the same way. It's silly how certain people from White Discussion "monitor" this board for trolls, as if there's nothing more important in life to do. And to be candid, I feel a bit silly for caring so much in the past about any of this. But by that same token, I'm grateful that there were times when being a fan of Live was actually fun. And one of the coolest friendships I ever made happened because I was a fan of this band, so I guess I owe them gratitude for that as well.

Ultimately, at this point in time and in my own life, I'm in the mindset of 'whatever'.

Live with Ed. Live with Chris. Either way, it's not the same as it used to be. And that's no jab at Chris either.... with him, at least they sound like a rock band when they're doing a show. Whatever.

Look, there a few good years where some brilliant music was put out. There were even days when the setlist wasn't boring.

It's all over now.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the band do some kind of collaboration at some point in the next 30 years (more likely touring on old tunes, mostly overseas, instead of anything else), but I'm kind of sad to say that I don't really have any big enthusiasm about it.

There were days when the community was actually fun and supported one another. And I'm glad I got to be a part of that and, for a few years, enjoy a friendship with Jim from Live-Web back in the day... he's the guy who hooked me up with demo recordings of 'Hold Me Up' and 'We Deal in Dreams'... and I did my best to return the favor by making a long distance call to his home and playing Lakini's Juice into the phone for him to listen to since New York radio had it before his area did.

Some of the shows I went to were really fun as well. And the bootlegs that made the rounds. Recordings from the shows they did in '98 sampling material for The Distance to Here. My first concert watching them from the first row. Believing Gracey when he told me all their old stuff would be released eventually. Believing Taylor when he promised Churchbox for everyone, and not on some app that didn't even work right. Believing it might actually be fun to hang out with Ed. I could go on.

The point here is... I don't want to attempt to rob anyone of hope or their enthusiasm or anything like that, but why are we even still here on these boards? Guys, it's over. The band can get back together or not. It's still over.

I'm just happy that it was fun for a few years there.

[Voodoo Lady]

I agree with so much of what you are saying, but then you say things I don't agree with and it makes me want to reach out and shake you a little bit.
First, I so hear you on the incredible bonds and friendships that you can make with people because of music. Honestly, and I've said this here before, my favorite group is actually Mötley Crüe. I fell in love with them at the age of 8 years old, 1983, when I listened to my cousin's Shout at the Devil cassette. The album and their look actually scared the shit out of me, but I loved it and it I kept coming back for more. I was 14 years old when I saw them for the first time in concert. My parents dumped my bestie and I off alone at the venue and we stood outside in line for general admission seating for 6 hours in sleet and snow to be in the front row. I made pals with the other Crüeheads standing there in that line as we tried to get warmth from lighting fires from whatever paper we had in our pockets. I have also made many friends across the miles, many who I have had the pleasure of meeting, circa Metal Edge Magazine pen pal section from the 80's and then on to friends from the Internet's message boards, chats, and Facebook. When you spoke of the friends you've made because of LIVE, it so resonates. I got into LIVE from seeing them on MTV--a video from Mental Jewelry, actually. They looked like normal dudes--not the glam hairbands I was into, and my friends thought I was nuts and had no interest whatsoever in them. I was a fan alone. Then honestly, the Crüe fell by the wayside (as did all those bands--damn you Nirvana and grunge!) and LIVE filled that void for me. I have always been so "alone" in liking them, never had the opportunity to see them in concert in the 1990's, or ever. I'd ask fellow rock n' rollers what they thought of them and I would always get the same old answer, "LIVE, who?!?" Sometime after 9/11, someone broke into my car and stole my CD collection. And of course, my entire LIVE discography was in there (whoever thief that was sure had better found joy in their music!). I spent a whole Saturday traveling to every CD resale shop piecing my collection together again to the same old remarks--"Who?! Isn't that just some East Coast local shit?"  SIGH
Anyway, my point is in all of this, every band has its pinnacle--its heyday. Yes, LIVE had theirs, Mötley had theirs. But it's never, never, never over. It's always fun, man.  I started posting in here just two years ago and it's almost like I'm talking to myself sometimes, but I am still having fun. That's what the music fan's life is all about and that's where you are wrong. If Ed comes back, great. If not, I'll accept. If he comes back and the music is still shitty, I'll still have had a blast. Who knows--maybe, just maybe it will be awesome again and I'll get asked that same ole question..."LIVE, who?!"

[mfan0410]

I don't post here often but wanted to share my thoughts on this as well...Like Voodoo Lady--trying to keep an open mind/see both sides. I for one (as someone who's never seen them in concert) would be 100% down for any type of 'reunion' for many reasons, but simply/mostly to connect to the music and the energy from the band and to have the experience to share that energy/appreciation back to them--with the version of LIVE that I grew up with/fell in love with.

I think it's easy at times to fall into the mind set of 'it will never be the same'.....well of course it won't. We are all getting older/growing/changing etc. which hopefully is a good thing! Why can't you have both the appreciation/respect of the past and also look forward? I find it extremely unfair to put bands/artists in that box of only looking at their past work and not having an open mind to future possibilities. Plenty of bands/artists that exploded in the 90's are still out there making great music/touring/staying true to their foundation (Pearl Jam is my favorite band next to LIVE and they are still killing it--all in their 50's I might add).

In the end, the beautiful thing about music (LIVE specifically) is it's ability to unite people. We all fell in love with the band for one reason or another and take what we get from it on an individual/personal level. For me, I have plenty of friends and know others that are still into LIVE and I'm sure would absolutely go see them. In my opinion, I think that people want bands/artists to speak up and use their voice/creativity to mean something, to stand for something greater than themselves, to unite and try to make some kind of difference--these are things LIVE has been about from the very beginning.

Whether this happens or not, I'll always be a fan and will want the best for all of them. We'll see what happens....

[Mr. Larson]

Been lurking. This bbs seems to have lots of info and rumors

Seeing some Facebook chatter that leads to here