Ed and current setlists Options

[SecretInsomnia]

I watched some of the latest setlists.

It looked like:

All Over You
The Distance
The Great Beyond
The Dolphins Cry
Angels On A Razor
Selling The Drama
Seven
Pain Lies On The Riverside
I'm on fire
Pillar Of Davidson
Heaven
I Alone

Encores
Overcome
Run To The Water
The One
Lightning Crashes

So Ed now has 2 solo albums (because he felt he was in a whole new chapter), and plays 1 + 3 = 4 songs from them, and the rest... STILL PLAYING LIVE SONGS. Damn... you can play a whole (long) setlist with all the songs you wrote as a solo artist, but no...

It's really unbelievable. Recording new songs to sell, but still playing the old songs and hits that he knows people come for, from a band he WANTED TO GET OUT OF. Weak.

[SJN1279]

According to setlists that I saw online he is playing 2 songs from Alive (The Great Beyond, Drive) and for from The Flood and The Mercy(Seven, Angels on The Razor, All That i Wanted, and The One). 6 solo songs in total, not four.

Ed wanted a break from CCP, not the music of Live. Since the majority of his shows on this tour are sell outs, I think he made the right decision.

PS Live have been together for over 1.5 years, how many none Ed written songs are they playing?

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Sep 14 2013, 8:09 am

[SecretInsomnia]

Ed told many times after breaking up with Live he wanted a change musically, for years he didn't even name the guys when talking about Live, remember. It was about the music (ofcourse another lie, we know).
I didn't know about the setlist you mentioned. But I find it very, very normal for LIVE to play LIVE-songs. On which Ed contributed, but they only seem to play songs they created together and are all credited for and still proud of. Ed sings songs (and focus on these songs in concert) from a band he used to contribute to (ofcourse, nobody denies), but the same band he didn't want to be part of anymore. I think that's quite a difference.

[Soxwsc]

Contributed? I think that's the wrong word.. He did virtually everything for Live. The other guys had next to zero involvement in the creative process of the band. That's straight from Ed, and I don't doubt him for a second. He wrote the lyrics and melodies, and the other guys came along for the tour. Shouldn't the guy who did everything for the band, and made the other guys rich and famous, get more credit than saying he "contributed"? And shouldn't he be allowed to play his own songs he wrote solely by himself?

And if I'm not mistaken, some of the guys in Live were mocking Ed's new stuff in recent years, after the breakup. And they're still playing his songs?

[SinfulEyes]

People will have varying opinions but at the end of the day Ed can't use Live in billing himself while the other guys can. They win.

[Soxwsc]

He can use "Former lead singer of Live". And continue what he's been doing and what he does great. Have you heard his new album? It's absolutely brilliant. WIN!

[Live4Life]

Ed told many times after breaking up with Live he wanted a change musically, for years he didn't even name the guys when talking about Live, remember. It was about the music (ofcourse another lie, we know).

Nope, not a lie. It was about the MUSIC...music HE wanted to play. Get it right. The only lie in all of this was the one they ALL created by staying together unhappy with everything that was going on and confusing fans with all their petty bullshit. And sorry but yeah, he has started playing a lot of the new songs slowly to see how fans like them. So also, get your facts first.

Ed Kowalczyk's new album "The Flood and The Mercy" has debuted at #18 on the Netherlands album charts in its first week of release. The tour in Europe thus far has been a resounding success with sold out and capacity shows in every city.

So, where's that new Live.2 album again?

[Live4Life]

He can use "Former lead singer of Live". And continue what he's been doing and what he does great. Have you heard his new album? It's absolutely brilliant. WIN!

I agree. He doesn't even really even have to do that anymore he is having such great sucsess. lol. and yes, def a WIN on th new cd. It's amazing.

[SecretInsomnia]

Contributed? I think that's the wrong word.. He did virtually everything for Live. The other guys had next to zero involvement in the creative process of the band.

Very, very ignorant to the rest of the guys, really. I'm not taking a side, so I don't try to defend anyone of them, but you talking bullshit by stating this. Live wouldn't have sounded like Live at all without Chad, Chad and Ed (and ofcourse Jerry, another important factor).

He wrote the lyrics and melodies, and the other guys came along for the tour.

sorry. You act like you think LIVE was Ed's backing band or something. Maybe that was what Ed wanted them to be when recording SFBM. But seriously, do you own the albums pre-V at all? 'The other guys came along for the tour' really sound like you've never been a LIVE fan at all and don't know anything about them. Probably you're a fan of SBM and Alive, but that's not LIVE dude.

[SecretInsomnia]

He can use "Former lead singer of Live". And continue what he's been doing and what he does great. Have you heard his new album? It's absolutely brilliant. WIN!

WIN? You sound like it's some kind of game or competition.

[SecretInsomnia]

So, where's that new Live.2 album again?

#18 is really NOTHING compared to the success he had with LIVE here in Holland. Also, you take a country that he's had the most success in over all years. So that doesn't say anything for me (yet)

So, where's that new Live.2 album again?

That's the difference. Creating 2 albums in 3 years doesn't make someone more successful than all the other remaining LIVE members that actually care about LIVE and its fans.
They come out with new work when it's done. Even if it would take 10 years, whatever. It means more to LIVE fans then creating 2 albums in 3 years and sing old songs in concert from a band you can't be part of anymore. Weak.

[Lakini's Juice]

#18 is really NOTHING compared to the success he had with LIVE here in Holland. Also, you take a country that he's had the most success in over all years. So that doesn't say anything for me (yet)
That's the difference. Creating 2 albums in 3 years doesn't make someone more successful than all the other remaining LIVE members that actually care about LIVE and its fans.
They come out with new work when it's done. Even if it would take 10 years, whatever. It means more to LIVE fans then creating 2 albums in 3 years and sing old songs in concert from a band you can't be part of anymore. Weak.

Clearly not the point. I'd pick quality over quantity anytime, except the point is that CCP stated (through CT) that they felt they didn't get the artistic freedom and they felt they had disappeared to the background during the last few years of LiVE (paraphrasing here).

If that's true, you would think, after Ed leaving (or whatever), they would go nuts and reclaim their regained artistic freedom and release records/new tracks, but they didn't. They released a mediocre album under the Few flag and that was it.

They've had plenty of time to come up with new material,instead they chose to openly bitch, cry and whine.

I'm not a fan of the Alive album, but i really dig TFATM.

[Hoodstock]

People will have varying opinions but at the end of the day Ed can't use Live in billing himself while the other guys can. They win.

We all lose - in the end they all fucked up something that was amazing. Hopefully something from the reconstruction of everything ends up being worthwhile.

[Soxwsc]

To many, including myself, this new album from Ed is worthwhile. The more I listen to it, the more I'm digging it. And I think a lot of people will end up digging it.

To put things in perspective, the guys in Live are just human beings like the rest of us. They make mistakes just like you and me, they have issues and flaws just like all of us. They couldn't get along, just like a lot of people on this board. I think some people put the guys in Live on a pedestal and expect them to be superhuman or something.

The band broke up after 7 full-length albums (4 or 5 amazing albums). To me, anything else they release after the break up, including Ed.. the guy who we all grew up listening to.. is just icing on the cake.

I'm just glad he's still releasing music after all these years. It is what it is. Complaining isn't going to change anything. You like it or you don't. If you don't, move on. I happen to love the new stuff, it sounds new and fresh. There's something to be said about the beauty of the simplicity in tracks like Cornerstone, just Ed and the piano. His vocal gymnastics in some of these tracks are epic in my opinion. If you grew up as a fan of Ed.. and you realize he's a human just like the rest of us.. how can you not appreciate the vocals and the incredible melodies throughout this new record?

This post has been edited by Soxwsc: Sep 17 2013, 9:23 pm

[Bremang]

Contributed? I think that's the wrong word.. He did virtually everything for Live. The other guys had next to zero involvement in the creative process of the band. That's straight from Ed, and I don't doubt him for a second.

On Facebook he said he wrote 90% of Live. He said in another interview he wrote 70% of TC. We know Chad wrote the riff for Lakini's juice. Even by Ed's standards, that isn't next to nothing. Plus, Ed's songs, and the band, probably wouldn't have become huge if not for CCP. They were still a vital component, especially to the live act.