How much did Ed contribute to Live?, Thread #42 Options

[SJN1279]

Imagine how CCP feel. Above all else they thought Ed was their friend and they gave him the benefit of the doubt for years.

And they let him to the bulk of the work for the band while getting the same pay as well.

Edit: This thread was not created by SJN1279. It was split from: New song riff - A riff by Chad T

This post has been edited by dangum: Apr 13 2013, 8:41 pm

[themaestro]

And they let him to the bulk of the work for the band while getting the same pay as well.

The fact is you don't know who did what. Reading liner notes does not give you the insight you think it does. And even if he did everything it does not excuse what he did or how he treated them.

[SJN1279]

How could you possibly know this? Also, how does one define "work" while in a band? Is it who wrote the lyrics? The melody? What about when a band is on tour? They all had to work then, no? Who keeps track of what percent of the work each band member does?

We can all continue to argue in circles, or just be happy that Ed and the new version of Live will be releasing new music and touring in the not too distance future.

Both sides don't have to get along, but the petty fighting is getting old.

[Jim]

We can all continue to argue in circles, or just be happy that Ed and the new version of Live will be releasing new music and touring in the not too distance future.

Both sides don't have to get along, but the petty fighting is getting old.

I wasn't saying anything for or against Ed. Nor was it for or against CCCP. I just don't understand how you can say something like "Ed did the bulk of the work" and know that it's a fact. There's so many factors to why a band becomes popular that it becomes silly to value any one member over another. I don't think either of us were included in the making of any Live album, so I can't say I know who did the bulk of the work. Maybe it was Ed. I don't think that's likely, but I really don't know.

[themaestro]

We can all continue to argue in circles, or just be happy that Ed and the new version of Live will be releasing new music and touring in the not too distance future.

Both sides don't have to get along, but the petty fighting is getting old.

Quit making asinine comments like Ed did the bulk of the work then. Each contributed equally to their success until the contributions of the others were rejected by Ed. It's no coincidence that everything changed when that started happening.

Most fans, friends, associates, etc have reconciled that Ed is not the man they thought. You can realize this and still enjoy his music and support him. Some on this very site do that and they get no grief from anyone. It is those that continue to ignore the overwhelming mountain of evidence supporting this. People very close to Ed have come to terms with it. The only ones that haven't are those that are so enamored with him that they just can't accept it.

[SJN1279]

I don't think either of us were included in the making of any Live album, so I can't say I know who did the bulk of the work. Maybe it was Ed. I don't think that's likely, but I really don't know.

On Live at the Paradiso, Ed is credited for composing 16 of the songs on the album, 12 of which solo. Chad Taylor is credited for composing 4 songs on the album with Ed. Gracey and Pat received no composing credit on the album at all.

Chad Taylor has stated publicly that he wished that Gracey and Pat would have contributed more to Live's songwriting process.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-...am-mw0000801400

[SinfulEyes]

On Live at the Paradiso, Ed is credited for composing 16 of the songs on the album, 12 of which solo. Chad Taylor is credited for composing 4 songs on the album with Ed. Gracey and Pat received no composing credit on the album at all.

Chad Taylor has stated publicly that he wished that Gracey and Pat would have contributed more to Live's songwriting process.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-...am-mw0000801400

You were so nice and silent until Diane came out and chastised Ed. Stay in the shadows, son.

[themaestro]

On Live at the Paradiso, Ed is credited for composing 16 of the songs on the album, 12 of which solo. Chad Taylor is credited for composing 4 songs on the album with Ed. Gracey and Pat received no composing credit on the album at all.

Chad Taylor has stated publicly that he wished that Gracey and Pat would have contributed more to Live's songwriting process.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-...am-mw0000801400

Again with the friggin liner notes. Funky showed you the registered copyrights for their songs and it is nothing like you state. You know this.

[SJN1279]

Again with the friggin liner notes. Funky showed you the registered copyrights for their songs and it is nothing like you state. You know this.

The copyrights of the songs also state that CCP wrote as much of V and BOP as Ed did. If CCP didn't agree with the linear notes of Live at the Paradiso, they likely would have fought to change them.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Apr 13 2013, 7:41 pm

[Jim]

On Live at the Paradiso, Ed is credited for composing 16 of the songs on the album, 12 of which solo. Chad Taylor is credited for composing 4 songs on the album with Ed. Gracey and Pat received no composing credit on the album at all.

Chad Taylor has stated publicly that he wished that Gracey and Pat would have contributed more to Live's songwriting process.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/live-at-the-...am-mw0000801400

Why is Live at the Paradiso the defining work here? And even if it is, according to Wikipedia 8 of those 16 songs are by Live and Ed Kowalczyk and 1 of the 16 is a Johnny Cash song. So more than half of those songs include "work" from everyone.

Still, why Live at the Paradiso? Why does that void all other Live releases? Why wouldn't Throwing Copper be WAY more important in the overall scheme of things? Without Throwing Copper we probably wouldn't even know of the 4 guys from Live, so one could argue that's the work that mattered the most...no doubt it's way more important than Live at the Paradiso!!!

[themaestro]

The copyrights of the songs also state that CCP wrote as much of V and BOP as Ed did. If CCP didn't agree with the linear notes of Live at the Paradiso, they likely would have fought to change them.

The liner notes or your general belief that Ed did more and deserves more do not supersede registered copyright or contracts. Sorry, doesn't work that way.

[SinfulEyes]

Nick if you admit you are going in circles, why keep arguing? Take the high road for once?

[SJN1279]

Why is Live at the Paradiso the defining work here? And even if it is, according to Wikipedia 8 of those 16 songs are by Live and Ed Kowalczyk and 1 of the 16 is a Johnny Cash song. So more than half of those songs include "work" from everyone.

Still, why Live at the Paradiso? Why does that void all other Live releases? Why wouldn't Throwing Copper be WAY more important in the overall scheme of things? Without Throwing Copper we probably wouldn't even know of the 4 guys from Live, so one could argue that's the work that mattered the most...no doubt it's way more important than Live at the Paradiso!!!

Because Live at the Paradiso accurately documented who actually composed the songs of Throwing Copper. For Example, Lightning Crashes- Ed Kowalczyk/ Selling the Drama Ed and Chad. The first 3 albums just gave all members of Live equal credit for composition, when it really wasn't the case.

[Jim]

Because Live at the Paradiso accurately documented who actually composed the songs of Throwing Copper. For Example, Lightning Crashes- Ed Kowalczyk/ Selling the Drama Ed and Chad. The first 3 albums just gave all members of Live equal credit for composition, when it really wasn't the case.

How do you know this? This is my point.

I'm not saying I know.

But how do you know this to be a fact?

[themaestro]

Because Live at the Paradiso accurately documented who actually composed the songs of Throwing Copper. For Example, Lightning Crashes- Ed Kowalczyk/ Selling the Drama Ed and Chad. The first 3 albums just gave all members of Live equal credit for composition, when it really wasn't the case.

Right, so the liner notes of Paradiso acurately document their compositions but the actual registered copyrights for these songs don't. Just like their contract for SFBM is not accurate and Ed deserved more.