We Are The Gracious Few, .....and you will hear TGF Options

[OutToDry]

Before, Dan woke up and saw another verbal mess from Nick (not sure why you let him continue Dan), and deleted the thread, Nick said TGF was told to cease and desist playing CB songs at TGF concerts by the remaing members of CB.

I told him and (others did too, WD, Maestro) that he's nuts as usual. Asked for proof in his statements....of course we got a circle out and silence.

I told him that this is pure BS and the reason they stopped was because they wanted to grow themselves as TGF and not do Live or CB covers.

Make TGF stand on it's own and it did. I mentioned that in concerts you can hear folks asking for CB songs, mostly Far Behind. Kevin has been up front in saying, we are the gracious few. And you're going to hear TGF.

I present to you The Gracious Few.

Nick, please flush yourself down the drain.....midgetman.



http://www.mediafire.com/?rsbr2r7c2irn0mt

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Dec 1 2012, 10:35 pm

[World Dreamer]

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is one way to back up your claims.

[jayda]

Jeez I wish I got to read it before it was deleted. It seemed to be going in a different direction compared to usual

[themaestro]

It showed respect to Live and CB that they didn't pimp those bands out to promote TGF. It also showed respect to TGF that they believed in it enough not to do that too. They certainly proved that they were a worthwhile force on their own. The shows rocked!

[Pokey]

You know, unless Nick wants to indulge us here as to how he knew what he claims? This is the major problem with him and I don't know how Dan doesn't see it, he just sprouts off a complete lie as a fact and then runs away from backing it up. Nick, you're a fucking coward.

lets look at me vs nick as an example of our two most recent claims.

me: that Ed's stage show is rehearsed, inorganic, planned and dull. I backed this up by the gig I went to (which there is a recording of) of Ed trying his hand at bad banter which he then repeated word for word the very next night. Not to mention proof of set lists that never change, feature Live songs heavily etc...

nick: that CBox put a stop to TGF playing CBox songs. His proof? Running away when asked for proof. Not to mention trying to counter my claim about Eds set lists with the fact TGFs set lists were all the same, that was countered with the fact they only had one album, what did he expect them to play? He ran away from that one too.

this guy just talks the biggest load of shit.

[dangum]

How about we talk about the topic at hand instead?

If this degenerates into another Nick-centric discussion it will be closed as well.

[SJN1279]

From Alternative Addiction:

With the blessing of his Candlebox band mates, Martin will join his new band (which now also includes guitarist Sean Hennesy from Candlebox) for a full tour this fall, something that Martin is eager to do. Even fans unfamiliar with The Gracious Few’s music should enjoy the show, as the band has written new versions of Live’s classic songs including “Lakini's Juice” and “White Discussion” as well as Candlebox fan favorites like “Far Behind” and “Best Friend.”

Most hard core TGF fans were hardcore Live/Candlebox first. Would any of you been upset to hear White, Discussion closing out your TGF show?

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Dec 2 2012, 10:30 am

[SJN1279]

In case you don't know, this is a LIVE fan site.

So I want to discuss:

1. The person who wrote all of Live's songs
2. The person who fronted the group for 20 years
3. The only person currently releasing music and touring from the original Live

You all hate Ed, but seem to be contributing to a lot of Ed discussion as of late. Why is that?

[Pokey]

The other main difference between you and I Nick, is that I am a fan of music, whereas you are not. I WANT Ed to blow me away with good music. As much of a slimy prick that he is, and as much as I rag on him, if he produced some really good music I'd love to hear it and listen to it since I am a fan of good music. Zion is as close as he's gotten for me.

You on the other hand, you don't even want to hear good music from Live, TGF, CCP or whatever, you are about branding and Ed making money, you don't want anything good to come out of the Live brand without Ed. So, I'd say our intentions are pretty fucking far apart.

[themaestro]

So I want to discuss:

1. The person who wrote all of Live's songs
2. The person who fronted the group for 20 years
3. The only person currently releasing music and touring from the original Live

You all hate Ed, but seem to be contributing to a lot of Ed discussion as of late. Why is that?

Well, you're not even going to get past the first point. You take the fact that he was involved in the song writing and turn it into he did everything. I'm willing to say he was the primary song writer. However, there was major influence from the other 3. You completely discard them as if he could have done what he did without them. Not even close. Ed would not have been the same person had it not been for CCP. It's no different than the influence you'd get from your parents or your family or the environment in which you grew up in. The four of them grew up in music together. They all shaped each other and the experience they had together shaped them collectively. Ed is not some special person that was above influence from anywhere else. Hell, he practically lifted the lyrics for MJ right from Krishnamurti. CCP were just as important to Ed's success as a writer as were his lyrics to their music. They all benefited and reaped the rewards collectively.

[OutToDry]

Nick your whole purpose here is to incite conflict way more than we fight with you to stop the lies and smear campaign. You're protecting Ed who has done some major wrongs. I'll take the fair And justice response more than your web of dishonesty and deceit game you've been running for years. Don't ever ever cross me.

[Pokey]

So I want to discuss:

1. The person who wrote all of Live's songs
2. The person who fronted the group for 20 years
3. The only person currently releasing music and touring from the original Live

You all hate Ed, but seem to be contributing to a lot of Ed discussion as of late. Why is that?

"The person who wrote all of Live's songs" THIS is the exact reason why we keep hanging giving you a hard time because of the way you want to try and rewrite Live's history online. Fuck you. Ed did not "write all of Live's songs", he had a hand in writing each song, some more than others, but don't make blanket statements like that, you only show yourself up more and more to be no fan of Live.
As the maestro said, Ed would not have been and done what he did without CCP. How do you know it wasn't CT's influence on Ed's guitar playing which helped him come up with a song down the line? Ed's stated in the past CT used to help him out, you just discard anything CCP has or could ever have done and as Live fans, it makes us sick.

It's been proven that without your influence at times a lot of us can discuss Ed in a positive light based on his years in Live pre 2000. You have no interest in discussing nor having anything positive to do with Live other than Ed for 20yrs and currently.

Anyways, see my above post about the difference between you and a few of us in what we're open to.

Nice job ignoring everything else though, as usual.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Dec 2 2012, 11:28 am

[OutToDry]

Well, you're not even going to get past the first point. You take the fact that he was involved in the song writing and turn it into he did everything. I'm willing to say he was the primary song writer. However, there was major influence from the other 3. You completely discard them as if he could have done what he did without them. Not even close. Ed would not have been the same person had it not been for CCP. It's no different than the influence you'd get from your parents or your family or the environment in which you grew up in. The four of them grew up in music together. They all shaped each other and the experience they had together shaped them collectively. Ed is not some special person that was above influence from anywhere else. Hell, he practically lifted the lyrics for MJ right from Krishnamurti. CCP were just as important to Ed's success as a writer as were his lyrics to their music. They all benefited and reaped the rewards collectively.

This Answer has been stated 10 times in the past week and nick doesn't acknowledge it as the truth. Besides, dans deleted all of this too. Dan can't believe you're aligning yourself with Nicks opinion.... It will get you nowhere.

[Pokey]

I still can't believe that Nick is stupid enough to destroy his own argument completely (not for the first time) saying we can't judge Ed's shows from not being there yet he is totally able to judge Live's shows this year while not being there, hell he was judging them based on Twitter updates as it was happening.

Nick, you are a total loser with weird fanboy hero worship tenancies, you have zero credibility when it comes to talking about music, and you are proving yourself with each and every post to have never been a fan of the BAND Live. Just ... give up, man.

[themaestro]

I'm willing to give Ed his due. Nick wants to diminish CCP completely. They deserve equal credit for what put Live on the map and gave them an identity to fans that follow them to this day. He is unwilling to give them the credit they rightly deserve as band mates, musicians, friends, etc. If there is anyone that is severely slanted on this board it is Nick. As much shit as Ed takes most are willing to give him his due credit. He gets way more shit for some of the questionable things he does outside of his musicianship.