You really don't understand why they wouldn't continue with Live as the situation with Ed worsened? Really? Do you just leave relationships upon the first sign of problems or try to work with the friend or loved one? What if it was your life's work? How long would you give it before it ended? A week? A few years? When a true, important relationship of yours ends, are they dead to you forever or do you eventually heal and find forgiveness and seek reconciliation? I think that a person who tries to make things work in a long-tern relationship and life-long project, and seeks reconciliation after a few years is someone who is taking the worthy approach. Not a sell-out.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Feb 27 2012, 2:28 pm

I wonder what would happen if Ed sent Nick to a TGF show to deliver a message of love at the meet and greet.

I would pay to see that...

I don't think Ed would ever consider that a wise move, especially considering the circumstances and past history. I would think Ed would communicate on his own.

They wanted him back under a year ago. 12 years And still want him back. Either they respect what he does or they are selling out by wanting him back. Tell me which one but it's not neither no matter how u spin it

They did? I never saw the words stated come back. But matters about the band needed to be discussed. He rebuked them then, then we hear Ed say he'd keep avenues open after saying "I don't intend to work with those individuals again'. He still never calls them by name today in his interviews. Next spin brigarbage?

Chad has stated that they stayed in the band the last 10 years for the livilihood of their families. Do not make them out to be saints by saying they stayed for friendship and relationship sake. The truth is, +live+ had been about business for a very long time, to all of the members.

He also said it was to preserve the Live family and doing it for the 'kids'....us!! He is also on record saying that this was probably a mistake, but the notion of preserving the marriage for the kids was on the record. We're not calling them saints, but I can't see why that was so bad, especially when they let Ed have his way, then in 2005 their agreement to let him have more creative copyright turned into a backhanded covert pilfering. We've been through the facts ad nauseum about all of this. I don't think can be disputed.

I throw up the white flag. I can't argue over every recollection about each thing that CCP may or may not have said at one time or another. I don't think that CCP stayed in Live with Ed because they were sell-outs. They may have stayed with him too long, and it may, in some part, have been because it was their livelihood. But I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat over who is a "sell-out" because I called Ed a sell-out. Like I said in my original post in this thread, I don't think there is ANY debate over who the sell-out is. I don't see how anyone can argue these points in the face of Ed demanding 75% of the Live royalties and 25% for the other 3 members, with a threat of an ultimatum, and demanding a lead singer bonus and stealing $1 million in a secret publishing contract, and the B.S. he has been pulling to milk his fans of every dime he can get out of them. And don't think that touring all alone with an acoustic guitar or touring with cheap session musicians playing Live music is just so that Ed can selflessly "reconnect with his artistic roots" - he can make more money playing in front of a few hundred people alone with an acoustic guitar without eloborate lights, road crew, tour manager, sound board and splitting the proceeds with all 4 members of Live. It's simple math - a promoter will pay Ed good money to get off a plane in a city with his acoustic guitar and take the stage to play Live songs without any expense overhead of Live, and I bet Ed makes more money that way than his cut of the $50,000 to $75,000 asking price that Live had for a show, after expenses. Reconnect with the fans my arse.

Ed came to see the other 3/4's of Live as a useless appendage that was holding him back and costing him money. Ed was wrong. He either forgot or never realized the intrinsic value of 4 band members coming together and making music together as a band. That worked better than Ed doing it himself. That has become self-ecvident. And Ed won't do as well without Live as he did with them. Not financially. Not artistically.

When someone on facebook talked about it not being live without Ed Chad g said Ed wasn't returning their calls. No spin just your boys words.

My boy words??? Hey, I just stated why he didn't return the calls.............it was to discuss band matters...2 year hiatus / and litigation and what to do next........ Are you educated? How many times can I tell you? You fan boys won't listen to reason, and you're not wanting to hear the truth. It wasn't to have Ed magically come back into the fold like nothing ever happened. Are you to stupid to understand that?
And every person who repeats that same sentence on FB about not being Live w/o Ed, comes with thinking he was the end all be all for the band......I think they're in the minority. It's ok what you choose....but stop the nonsense opinions when you're not in the know. You don't have to accept what I am telling you and I really don't give a fuck.

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This post has been edited by OutToDry: Feb 27 2012, 3:59 pm

Like they're clamoring for Ed to come back. Please. Ed will never be welcome back in that band unless there is some serious cleansing and he shed all of his ego based stipulations for associating with him. They will never put themselves in the same situation they were with him for the past 10 years. Never happening.

To the people like Nick and Bri who can't understand why CCP would go along trying to support Ed and make things work and find a way to repair things for years while he took over the band - wow I feel sorry for the people you're friends with if you can't understand their state of minds. Although with Nick being bought up in a political house where friends are bought and sold its not surprising he can't grasp or understand that.

CT told us how he basically gave up at one stage and caught a plane home from Europe and wanted to end it and then everyone talked him out of it. It's not like they were going along blindly playing follow the leader, I'm sure there was some real conflict. And if you don't believe anything that CT says but will gladly eat up the crap that Ed spews like in his infamous interview. Then there is no argument here, you're incapable of rationally looking at this.

Chad said it in reference to Ed not being in the band not legal matters so that's what he said and what I am going off of. And is you tight with Ccp I understand why u back them blindly