Bremang you psycho-analyze everything, shits really odd, and you seem really anal.

not really dude. i see it pretty easily

Ultimately, I think the idea of the band name is a really interesting topic, but for some reason it is super sensitive.

People brush the conversation aside by saying "lets just wait for the music" But the name is part of it too! The emotional responses behind it suggest most everyone cares about the name.

It's been said before, that CCP has gotten a new singer before, and made a new band, TGF. And they are a fine rock outfit.

What makes this new Live situation different from a TGF situation? What makes it similar enough to old Live, to stay Live?

Even TGF used the Believe riff. The Believe riff is CCP playing their Live riff under the name TGF.

How do you distinguish CCP playing their Live stuff with a new singer and giving it a new band name (TGF), vs. CCP playing their Live stuff with a new singer and keep it "Live"?

What about keeping the name TGF and switching Kevin out for a moment? The Gracious Few seems like a really good description of the guys.

Honestly, I'm reminded of the return of Ren and Stimpy. John K, the creator and the original core essence of the project, was back in control after being kicked out. Like CCP getting Live back in their control. Except it was missing Billy West, the star voice. Just like Ed. People were disappointed because when they heard the name r&s they were expecting the full package.

I hope the best for CCP, and I hope they can bring their music to great heights.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Oct 18 2011, 11:16 pm

Ah the civil war never ends. For the first time I feel honestly different, I'm over it. I just want the music. There are people who don't like what's happening, you're not going to change anything. Get over it, move on. There are people that are excited about it, people who are cautious but willing to give it a chance.
I think my views are well known. I'm excited, frustrated at waiting but want to see where it goes. Until Ed is willing to be an equal share creative partner again and works to discover his list creativity he is only poison to Live to me now and I hope he stays away. CCP are running the show and I want to see what they come up with.
I think I'm legit done with the back and forth arguing for now, I need a break.

Give me the music.

What if the OP built a house for his family of four, but one of the family of four chose to leave the house? Should he be forced to bulldoze the house because that one person doesn't want to live there anymore, even though it's a perfectly good & livable house, with an exceedingly strong foundation? What logic would there be in that?

I know what the OP said. But the OP needs to realize that he doesn't own the rights to Live's catalog, that his name isn't on Black Coffee's publishing, that he didn't write all those songs, and that he didn't spend 20+ years writing/recording/touring to make the band work. What right does he have to say that CCP shouldn't use the name Live? They built the friggin thing, even if it was with Ed. Ed made his choices and did what he did. He chose not to be apart of Live both verbally and by his actions. CCP didn't want to end Live, even though they were very close to doing that, but they ultimately chose not to. That is their RIGHT as the owners.



I'm making the argument that we (meaning all of us) have no argument. It doesn't matter two shits what we think either way because Live belongs to CCP. It's simply a choice of whether or not you want to come along for the ride to see where it goes. Don't want to ride? Get out and pitch a thumb.

This post has been edited by MrSheptical: Oct 19 2011, 3:01 am

I see what you're saying. These guys built their music in this thing known as Live, why leave it just cause a part of it is missing. That may be one of the main reasons Live kept their name.

I guess, however, that there could be some logic in changing a band name. A name is a little different from a house. It's more of a representation of your art, which might change dramatically with the absence of a collaborative artist. Opposed to a house, whose functionality as a house does not change despite missing an inhabitant/family member.



You're most likely right when you say that the OP doesn't know what it is like to be CCP, or know exactly what its like to have gone through the breakup, and all their career. But since you asked the OP's rights, the OP is just stating an opinion, which is his right.

Also, you pointed out that CCP have the right as owners to do what they want. That is true, and nobody, not the OP, is disputing that. I think we're just discussing what it means to choose the name Live, just for discussion sake. Is it the best choice?



Of course our discussion isn't likely to affect CCP's direction. I hope opinions don't really change a thing about how CCP want to go about their art, and that they truly don't give two shits. In fact, I dislike whenever the band responds to a fan's opinion on Facebook. It's ridiculous. Anyway, we just talk about the band here. Why so much diversion when discussing the band name?

It is silly that so many here suggest that if you question the band, that you should resort to not following the band. Can't we simply talk about your opinion on the band name? It would be more accurate to say that anyone who is so sensitive about the subject that their only answer is to shut people up and tell them to move on, should be the ones to move on from the discussion. If you don't want to talk about Live's name on the Live discussion board, then why be here in this thread?

This post has been edited by Bremang: Oct 19 2011, 3:25 am

Bre, were you on the debate team in high school? Just out of curiosity...

This is another interesting thing....

Ed using the name Live.

What is he saying again? Ed Kowalczyk of Live?

On one hand, you can see it as being a misrepresentation because Ed is not in Live ATM.

If that misrepresentation exists, should it be OK for him to use the name in the expression "of Live", or even at all?

I guess it is accurate to say that he'll be playing Live songs. Is it OK to say that you are "of Live", if your show is largely Live songs, and you were once a part of Live?

Is it necessary for the former lead singer to divulge the fact that he is broken up with band in order to use the name Live respectfully?

I think one issue is that when promoting, there are still many fans of old Live that are completely unaware of Ed Kowalczyk's name. When a sign promotes Ed as being of Live, is it improper to use that phrasing if the main functionality is to create the connection in the viewer that it is the singer of famous Live songs, while the show is largely Live material?

I think that is something that the lawyers may need to agree on if CCP have an issue with it.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Oct 19 2011, 3:40 am

No, but I'm in my second year at law school. It is worse than a debate team, lol. Definitely makes it easier to be argumentative.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Oct 19 2011, 3:43 am

Live can move on with a new lead singer, Ed can play Live songs, I don't see an issue with any of these things.

It's fine to not like the idea of Live without Ed, or Ed playing Live songs without the other guys, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. They are grown men who can do whatever they like with their music.

In response to the question about CCP and a new lead singer naming themselves TGF compared to Live with a new lead singer and how is it different I would answer that new Live will be singing Live songs whereas TGF, as a new band, had all new songs. I guess since 75% of Live is in the band and they will be singing Live songs it made sense to them to be Live once again.

Sort of like Fuel did when Scallions left.

Initially I didn't like the idea of them being Live without Ed, but if Ed can be Live without them then who cares?

In the end it is about the music and currently the score is as follows:

CCP w/ New Lead Singer (aka TGF) - 1
Ed of Live - 0

Scoreboard.

Geez... I'm sitting here arguing with an aspiring lawyer? LOL

Will they be playing old Live songs?




CCP is losing with negative 1?

That is speculation on my part.