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post Jun 28 2010, 5:44 pm
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QUOTE(Pokey @ Jun 28 2010, 9:47 am) *

Live songs should be seen as a "treat" not as a drawing power or the backbone of his set which is exactly what they are. From an artistic stand point like I said it shows a complete lack of confidence in his new material.
TGF are getting respect for going "this is our new material, listen to this!". It's no wonder there is such a split between the fanbase .. the side that is actually content with what Ed does mirrors his work .. it's shallow, it's about marketing and how to draw a bigger crowd, it's about how to sell more merchendice and about always playing the most popular songs.

The TGF side seems to care more about the music, the performance, not how many people are there, not how many albums will sell.


um... what he said..

seriously, spot on pokey! thumbsup.gif



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post Jun 28 2010, 5:46 pm
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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jun 28 2010, 3:53 pm) *

Of the 11 songs Ed released on the CD, Ed has already played 7 in concert.


in the SAME concert? not being sarcastic, i dont know the answer- but the Q is an important one.


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post Jun 28 2010, 5:49 pm
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I remember that I saw TGF once where they played their entire cd, and only 2 old songs. It was such an astonishing thing to see. A band that was actually proud to play their entire cd, and not just rely on old "hits" for a significant portion of their set.


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post Jun 28 2010, 5:54 pm
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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Jun 28 2010, 4:15 pm) *

I mean, why in the world is Bret Michaels popular again?


nervous.gif not to go off on a tangent, but since you asked the question, here is my answer.. because the VH1 Rock of Love shows were hysterically entertaining.. he is not popular again for his music, but instead for his persona.. and he made Celebrity Apprentice worth watching..

heck, my 70 yr old mom saw him on Oprah and couldnt stop talking about how "cute" he was, but why did he have to wear his hair like that.. laugh.gif and at the same time my 12 yr old daughter thinks he's cool and has "every rose" as her ring tone.. go figure.. 3 generations of gals entertained by Bret "hairclub for men" Michaels

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post Jun 28 2010, 5:57 pm
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Is it a lack of confidence in his stuff? He's already played 8 out of the 11 songs on his cd in concert. That's the most from a new cd, since TDTH. At a show he played a couple of days ago, he played 7 out of the 10 songs from "Alive". As for a show promoting Live hits, to my knowledge it's the only show of his promoting that. He's going to be paid the same money no matter how many people show up or what he plays. It's up to the venue to promote it their way as they see fit to maximize their profits.

To really say TGF don't care about money and that it's all about the music is really simplifying things. They were the ones that were constantly telling people to tell their friends about them WAY before they ever had any music out. They were the ones selling TGF merchandise WAY before they had any music out. So, to say everything is about the music and performances is really not true.

I want both to be successful as I think they deserve it. But really, I don't care if I'm the only person in the world liking either cd. That's all that matters to me. And if for some reason I don't like one or both, well that is my problem then. That's not Ed's fault. That's not TGF's fault. They make music as they want to, not for my personal tastes. I'll move on and listen to other music that I like rather dwelling and complaining about the stuff I don't.





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post Jun 28 2010, 6:17 pm
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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Jun 28 2010, 5:19 pm) *

Whether it was Indie or not, you could find the album in record stores and online on iTunes, which where they say most individual song sales occur. It's not like millions of people heard the song and wanted to buy it but just could figure out a way to get their hands on it.

About 2 weeks before the American Idol performance they also appeared on Howard Stern. They gave a fantastic interview. It was very funny (this was the interview in which they talked about their marriages in a way that made Howard Stern interested - let's not say any more than that). They had a long half-hour segment. Then they had the opportunity to play Mystery and announce it as their single and they played I Alone to promotionally tie what they were doing on SFBM with Throwing Copper. Again, I exaggerate a little bit, but every guest that goes on Howard Stern ends up having a top ten searched website on Google statistics that day. Commedians sell out Carnegie Hall. Authors go to the top of the NY Time Best Seller list. Movies get better box office. Howard gives performers a huge platform. This is true on Sirius just as it was on regular radio.

So in a two week period, Mystery got a huge push on Howard Stern and was performed by Live and Daughtry on the American Idol finale. And they got crickets. I don;t think that was because the record company didn't give them a push. If the public wanted that song, they could could have bought it. I love Mystery. I love SFBM. But I don't think that the rest of the world feels the same way I do.

Just to bring this back to the original topic - based on the short clips and full songs that I have heard from Alive, I don't know that Ed is doing any very different than SFBM, so I don't think he will get a different result doing youtube interviews with some scary-looking dude in Hamburg next to a shipyard filled with barges and pallates being dropped on the dock in the background than he did on the American Idol finale with Daughtry and a nice long Howard Stern interview.


The problem with SFBM was the constant delays that Sony put upon the album once they changed presidents. The River was released in March and actually was charting well before the change-over at Sony. Once that occurred, they stopped their push of The River, and pushed Live onto their imprint Red. Mystery never had a chance after that, because Sony was done spending money on Live.

As for Howard Stern, on satellite radio, he does not have the same reach as he did when he was on terrestrial.

If you remember the American Idol performance, there was no mention of a new album or new single. Live played the song with Daughtry without explanation and was done. It did well on Itunes and the album opened well for an indie, but Sony was done with the push. Just how it goes.

That said, I doubt Ed or TGF will do as well sales-wise as SFBM.


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post Jun 28 2010, 6:29 pm
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QUOTE(LivesMeltdown @ Jun 28 2010, 5:57 pm) *

To really say TGF don't care about money and that it's all about the music is really simplifying things. They were the ones that were constantly telling people to tell their friends about them WAY before they ever had any music out. They were the ones selling TGF merchandise WAY before they had any music out. So, to say everything is about the music and performances is really not true.


I don't think anyone is claiming that money isn't important. Its all in HOW important it is and if it appears to be more important than the music itself.

For the guys from Candlebox, they are taking time away from a band that as far as I can tell has been going strong since returning a few years ago. They aren't topping the charts or anything, but they've been drawing solid crowds with their live show. If it was all about the money why would they take time away from that security to start a brand new band?

Further, why would they do a free show for their first concert? Why are their t-shirts only $10? Why aren't they hawking bootlegs of songs and not sharing the profits with Ed?

I'm stopping now but I could say more. Bands and money is a difficult thing to discuss, but all bands have to do some level of business.


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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jun 28 2010, 6:17 pm) *

That said, I doubt Ed or TGF will do as well sales-wise as SFBM.


This I disagree with.

While label business had some hand in the success of BOP and SFBM, the quality of said albums also had a lot to do with it.


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post Jun 28 2010, 6:46 pm
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QUOTE(thefunkyredcaboose @ Jun 28 2010, 7:29 pm) *

I don't think anyone is claiming that money isn't important. Its all in HOW important it is and if it appears to be more important than the music itself.

For the guys from Candlebox, they are taking time away from a band that as far as I can tell has been going strong since returning a few years ago. They aren't topping the charts or anything, but they've been drawing solid crowds with their live show. If it was all about the money why would they take time away from that security to start a brand new band?

Further, why would they do a free show for their first concert? Why are their t-shirts only $10? Why aren't they hawking bootlegs of songs and not sharing the profits with Ed?

I'm stopping now but I could say more. Bands and money is a difficult thing to discuss, but all bands have to do some level of business.


I didn't want to make it that TGF is all about the money because I don't think it is. Even though, I think Live stayed together as a band the last couple of years primarily for the money although that's just my speculation. To me, it seems like sometimes they get portrayed as saints and they can walk on water when they are humans like everyone else. You are right, it's a business and they are trying to make a profit and that's what I was mainly trying to point out.

As for Candlebox, I honestly don't know too much about them. You know a helluva lot more about that band than me and I trust with what you are saying.

As for $10 shirts and free shows....Ed also has $10 shirts for sale also and has been performing a bunch of free shows lately. I know, I know...coffee and pendants also but 99% of fans aren't purchasing those items.

As for the bootlegs, I have no problem with him selling those but without a doubt Ed should be sharing some of the profits with Chad, Chad, and Pat. I don't think anyone can argue against that.

Yes, Ed is more about money than TGF. Unfortunately, that is the problem with a lot of lead singers.

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Breaking News (like Serendipity Style)

Ed Kowalczyk, the front member of the 90's Rock Band Live, died after the last concert of the band on the House Of Blues, New York. And that's it, no one cries for his lost... Because Jerome and the Time came on the stage to sing My Jungle Love!!! rockin.gif


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post Jun 28 2010, 7:16 pm
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Anyone interested in seeing how you can make music for all the right reasons should watch Rush - Behind the Lighted Stage. The part about how they made 2112 on the heals of the great failure of Caress of Steel reminds me a lot of what TGF is doing right now. Also the part about Neil Peart (one of the greatest drummers ever) wanting to improve and even changing his technique after decades of success speaks volumes. When I think of integrity in music this is what I think of. This band said screw the record label and all their demands. They made the music they wanted to and have been reaping the rewards for nearly 40 years now.


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I saw that tiger, a great story piece. Rush is killer in concert!!


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QUOTE(tiger @ Jun 28 2010, 8:16 pm) *

Anyone interested in seeing how you can make music for all the right reasons should watch Rush - Behind the Lighted Stage. The part about how they made 2112 on the heals of the great failure of Caress of Steel reminds me a lot of what TGF is doing right now. Also the part about Neil Peart (one of the greatest drummers ever) wanting to improve and even changing his technique after decades of success speaks volumes. When I think of integrity in music this is what I think of. This band said screw the record label and all their demands. They made the music they wanted to and have been reaping the rewards for nearly 40 years now.


Amazing.. love em!

am confused though, I watched the RUSH RockDoc on VH1 this past weekend and all those clips from the youtube, were in there.. so is Behind the Lighted Stage the same as the VH1 rock doc? (which was amazing.. and i adore Neil Peart even more after watching it.. )


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ok.. i answered my own question.. they are one in the same.. its a great documentary.. if folks missed it.. ck out future dates/times here RUSH-Behind the Lighted Stage (VH1 listings)

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It's probably archived footage.


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QUOTE(Aitkens @ Jun 28 2010, 6:49 pm) *

I remember that I saw TGF once where they played their entire cd, and only 2 old songs. It was such an astonishing thing to see. A band that was actually proud to play their entire cd, and not just rely on old "hits" for a significant portion of their set.


And it was great standing there, knowing only 3 of the songs beforehand plus the 2 covers, wondering just what they were going to hit us with next. Oh what a wonderful night that was.


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