I love listening to Honest Man and I think it is a great song. But the thing that worries me is that it does not have any anthemic quality to it. The same goes for Tredecim. There is no catchy or memorable chorus. I honestly can't remember how the song goes in between listens. I laid in bed this morning trying to remember how the song goes and I couldn't remember. That is a concern that I have from the popularity and radio request perspective. I think this music can be compared to Audioslave, but Audioslave's popular songs that drove album sales, like "Like a Stone" for instance, had a very memorable chorus. Great rock can be great and also have a chorus that sticks with you. Look at "Enter Sandman" by Metallica. I think the first single needs something like that so that this thing catches fire commercially. Why do I care about the commercial success? Because I want TGF to be back with a second and third album and I don't want this to be a one-shot experiment. I'm just worried, that's all.

Well to each his own, for I think the Tredecim chorus is very catchy. Then again I don't care if it's catchy so long as it kicks ass, and indeed it does.

To me the chorus is "catchy as fuck" and I sing it all day long.


I think man you must give it acouple more spins to remember properly. It will def NOT have the anthemic beauty of I Alone and the sort. It is completely another style of music and I bet their songs would not even suit Ed's voice.

I can not stop spinning this song. I love different kinds of music, I have been looking for something that would catch my ear ever since I heard Purifier which I adore.

I got the last album by my No 2 band after Live - Oasis. And it did had tremendous tunes, though lacking something.

I got the brilliant third recording by Kasabian, which still is stuc in my head, but it is classy brit music, maybe even too much of, not making it any worse really

I got a comeback by one of my fave bands - Creed with wonderful riffs and powerful rhythm section, and I still am impressed by it,....


but....

it all was lacking SOMETHING.

You know,I need the instruments to talk.

I once read an interview by a frontman of a good Russian band, Animal Jazz, he said: "When we were recording this song, I could not start singing, as I got a feeling that someone was breathing in my ear... In 3 spins I got a thought that it was the way our drummer played"..

You know, to me the only breathing drummer in the world is Chad Gracey. All my drumming "carreer" I tried to sound like him and never could accomplish this...

I NEVER EVER fucking thought that the sound of their instruments will mean THAT much to me.

When the bass kicks in, I can clearly see Superpat banging the strings. When the guitar starts, I see Chad T in glasses stomping. And I portray Chad G with closed eyes crashing the cymbals.

I am absolutely overwhelmed with what we all call Honest Man

All I needed was a classic hard rock song with a soft spin towards post-grunge.

Could NOT have been any better

Ilove this song

And I sence something huge coming our way


Over and out

I can see what you mean, but in the same light, I can't get the chorus of Tredecim out of my head. Also whilst the words to Honest Man might not flow in that catchy kind of way, the riff to me is pure crack. I can't get enough of it.
Either way, these are things to worry about only from a Nick perspective like you say. I'm less concerned about how the rest of the world will perceive it and more so about how much I'll personally like it.
I'd like them to be successful too because like you say I'd like to hear more of them, but it's a catch 22, if they tried to write something purely to be more marketable then it might not sound as good naturally and hearing more of them might not be a good thing.
They deserve to be successful ... in the end, they'll earn new fans, people who truely appreciate the music, fans that are more devoted and care more about the music than the market Ed is going for.


I think to a lot of old school Live fans, TGF is incredibly personal. We fell in love with Live in the early days and the music meant to much to us. Then we had years of watching the band fall to shit, like watching a loved one get ruined by a drug habit or something and it hurt a lot of us to see it. TGF, whilst not exactly "old school Live", is finally something a lot of us have been hanging out for for years. I think it'll win a lot of people over with passion. As for the casual listener, it's not going to be aimed at the same casual market that Ed's music is ... the people who know more about music and look for things that are more than just skin deep are the people it'll pick up, and those are the people that don't always rely on a catchy chorus to enjoy their music.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Jun 7 2010, 10:27 am

This seems like a good introduction to TGF and a good choice for a first single with the topical content and all. Perhaps they don't want to come out of the gate with their best radio song too, rather choosing to build some momentum ala Live with TC. I doubt they are going to measure their success purely on radio play anyway and since they are doing this on their own they probably have different measures for success. It looks like they are off to a great start.

These are my same exact thoughts! Nicely put! I agree that the chorus from Tredecim is hard to forget and is always stuck in my head. Appetite has that same affect on me. I think either one of those could be a huge radio hit for anyone with taste, which isn't saying much considering what is popular right now. Apparently most people don't have any taste. But for some reason I'm really hoping this band catches on or they at least end up with some sort of following that will support them through another album and tour. You don't have to hugely popular radio wise in order to make a go at it so I don't think it would be the end of them if they didn't have a huge hit. Honest Man isn't quite as catchy but I think it will appeal to a certain type of music fan out there, we just have to hope they get to hear it somehow since I would think most people that really like good music don't listen to the radio all that much. It's weird the way things are nowadays and I would hate to be in a band trying to figure all of this shit out!

This post has been edited by Heather: Jun 7 2010, 10:42 am

That's true about popularity not always going hand in hand with radio play. I've seen quite a few bands recently, overseas acts, and none of them get played on commercial radio here, yet the gigs were packed with fans. Once again this must utterly confuse someone like Nick, but there are so many more ways to discover music than the radio. Radio is a standard, true, but it's also for the casual listeners mostly. People who don't set out to discover music, they switch it on and just let whatever they hear be their guide. To me in a way, I'd rather not share a gig with these people haha
There is so much good music out there if people are willing to look, and it's obvious that people are as my above statement with the sold out shows that I've seen recently. Sure they're not 10,000 seat arenas, but they don't have to be, and often are best not being.

It's true, I've been a fan of many different bands that have been around for years and never get any radio play. Yet they still make cds and tour on a regular basis because they have built a loyal following. I prefer this music because it usually means these bands are making the music that they believe in not the music that they think will make them most popular or rich. I would have to assume they are doing it for the love of the music that they are making and their need to create it. I think TGF probably fits into that category and that is exciting to me as a fan! Would I like the whole world to be turned on to it? Yes, but not if it it means that would create pressure to create another hit after this one. I guess we have to wait and see.

I don't buy singles from iTunes, etc -- why pay twice for the same song file that will be on the album download in a few months???? -- but I'm glad to hear it's rocking!

Friends,

Don't ask where this came from.

[16] The Gracious Few - Honest Man (Ain't No Work) [ 4:12]
Quality : 198kbps / 44100 Hz Stereo (Not too bad, not to good)
Released on June-01

http://www.mediafire.com/?jmn0g3nnncm

Have fun.

BERLINONE

feel like this too man!

I disagree. Tredecim has a very catchy chorus. Honest Man does not have a catchy chorus but it has a very catchy classic rock riff, which is memorable. What is that catchy in Smoke on Water’s chorus. To me, nothing, but its riff is so catchy that made the song the stamp of Deep Purple.

Available!

This post has been edited by +Ed+: Jun 8 2010, 2:24 am

Gotta be bought!

Yeah....pay up!!!