While I love all of the acoustic translations, I'd have to say you're right.

Their best album since TDTH?

Carefully avoiding the fact that TDTH has The Dolphins Cry as the first song, contains a fair amount of falsetto, and definitely features the acoustic guitar.

It's bullshit anyway. There're no rules for making a good album, especially since in the end we're hoping for work that the old Live fan base will subjectively enjoy, regardless of artistic merit. (Though the old material was more original and better written, so perhaps subconciously they go hand in hand..)

And I completely disagree with needing a 'rocker' song to open the album. The vital element we're missing from Live's music isn't rock. It's passion. Live clearly doesn't rank high on the individual members priorities. Perhaps if it did; if they still felt they could induce change with their music, if Ed stepped aside from his parental 'look at my daughters!' mindset, if they set out to make their best work yet... for themselves, then maybe we would receive what most of the Live community wants.

Of course this is conjecture, but I feel it's more accurate than a few simple rules for making their best work post TDTH.

I may need to go back and listen, but I'm pretty sure the majority of TDTH is recorded electric. A lot of is a very clean electric but nonetheless electric. Dance with you comes to mind. TDTH works really well played acoustically [per them doing all those acoustic shows during that era] but I think the bulk if not all of the album is electric.

Edit: Ok, I just did a quick check by quickly listening to each TDTH track, it made sure I heard the rhythm guitar in each song. WFG, F&G, FTQRR, and Meltdown are the only ones with standout acoustic. The other tracks may have some subtle acoustic but the prominent rhythm and lead guitars are electric.

This post has been edited by PurdueSteve: Jun 6 2008, 9:01 pm

I'm aware of that. All I said was that the album 'definitely features the acoustic guitar'. It's prominence is irrelevant.

???

Are you high?

MJ features an Acoustic Guitar, it must be the same as BOP then.

It's prominence is entirely relevant.

This post has been edited by PurdueSteve: Jun 6 2008, 10:55 pm

You don't get what he means ... disciple_de_+LIVE+ was of the opinion that Live's last great album was TDTH and then he stated that Live should quit with the acoustics for this next album. Alex was simpley reminding him that TDTH did indeed feature it's share of acoustics but exactly how much and where was irrelevant.


I think he's on the mark though, sure I'd prefer to hear a darker moodier Live again but i'd rather here something with some passion regardless of what the songs are about. I think I'm just over songs about women (don't get me wrong, as good as they can be and all!).

In correcting disciple than how much acoustic is featured is irrelevant.

In making a point of whether or not acoustic presence equates to whether or not an album has the quality of older live in it, acoustic presence is entirely relevant.

Of the songs on TDTH that have acoustic none of them were the biggest songs.

who fucking cares if the songs have accoustic guityars or ifd they use a banjo madwe from rats tails rthe point in s they hav to move us to the poin t of changin the way we look at music and the world such as thronung copper did and all the other albums, all songs from black montain did was make everyone cringe or jump on the deffensxve whgich we didnt hav to do before, the music spoke for itself. watever fuck off bllaaaaah

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, so this debate doesn't really do anything for me. As Pokey explained to you, I was pointing out the fact that TDTH did contain the acoustic guitar.

Do you honestly believe that the inclusion or otherwise of acoustic guitars is a deciding factor on an albums quality?

^^^What he said^^^

Steve has a habit of thinking he's carrying on an intelligent debate when in fact he has no idea what he's talking about. You're not alone, Alex!

I respectfully disagree with you almost 100 percent. The passion is still there, but the effort required for artistic integrity isn't.

Also, I thinik there are several rules for making a great album. Live broke most of them with SFBM. Most great albums require a fair amount of collaborative creativity, from all of the bands members....ala SS and TC. Also, as far as creativity is concerned, when is the last time you heard a bridge inserted into a LIVE song? Like I Do was the last I heard and about the only one I've heard since TDTH, where some of the most powerful music contained that one specific ingredient. Even TSUFL has the subtle bridge where Ed sings "we made, it to the moon, but we can't make it home" and ends it with "to the one," which gives me goosebumps every time I listen to it.

Also, in my opinion, a great album requires some decent guitar work. That has been pretty rare in Live songs past but weère getting smacked now with 3 chord acoustic melodies that to be honest, I could write. I think some good solid rock where the guitars get let go similar to that of White Discussion would be beneficial. Fuck hearing Ed sing, I've heard enough out of his skinny ass. I would like an album where a good portion of the time, the guitars are singing and the bass can be heard. Pat is good at his craft and he's being underused.

So maybe I agree with you somewhat with inclusion of all members of the band, but disagree with you saying there are no rules for making a good album. Those rules may not be specific, but it doesn't mean they aren't there. I think they are. I think those rules were broken with V and everything afterwards. All the subsequent albums are missing those ingredients I mentioned and then some.

Personally, I don't think Ed's ego will allow for this ever again. I'm just going to enjoy music past because I don't think this guy has anyhwere near what it takes to make anything near what MJ, TC or SS was creatively. They're done.

I thought Mystery had a pretty cool bridge, but that's just me.

Actually, Mystery has no bridge whatsoever. The only song on SFBM that does is Sofia and I don't even think that was meant as a bridge.

What technically constitutes a bridge?